1C probably needs a kickstarter project?

[furbs]

kickstarter for the sequel?

We did, it was called COD.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff

the way it looks, we need to get 1C involved in a kickstarter project for the patch's...

http://www.kickstarter.com/

That or just switch to the RoF way of doing things..

The downside being you will end up spending about $200 for a game.. (assuming you buy most of the options)..

The upside being requring users to spend more than $50 on a game has a a kid-o flitering effect.. In that alot of kids will not be able to convice their parents to pay for a $200 game..

The assumption in both cases that the 'options' are only enabled via the 777 servers which in turn makes it much harder for people to pirate the game and options.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That or just switch to the RoF way of doing things..

The downside being you will end up spending about $200 for a game.. (assuming you buy most of the options)..

The upside being requring users to spend more than $50 on a game has a a kid-o flitering effect.. In that alot of kids will not be able to convice their parents to pay for a $200 game..

The assumption in both cases that the 'options' are only enabled via the 777 servers which in turn makes it much harder for people to pirate the game and options.

This scenario only works if you have a playable sim. ROF had a rough start, but the patches and work they have done actually fixed bugs and made the engine pretty solid. COD is still in the starting blocks with patches that haven't really fixed much of anything. I couldn't see giving 1C anymore money for planes with their current skill at fixing the game.

Originally Posted by Force10

This scenario only works if you have a playable sim. ROF had a rough start, but the patches and work they have done actually fixed bugs and made the engine pretty solid. COD is still in the starting blocks with patches that haven't really fixed much of anything. I couldn't see giving 1C anymore money for planes with their current skill at fixing the game.

Agree

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

This scenario only works if you have a playable sim. ROF had a rough start, but the patches and work they have done actually fixed bugs and made the engine pretty solid.

I have heard of having your cake and eating it too..

But this is one takes the cake!

First sentance you say it only works if you have a playable sim..
Next sentance you admit RoF was not a playable sim at the start..

So which is it?

Because you can not have it both ways!

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Next sentance you admit RoF was not a playable sim at the start..

Maybe you need to quote my post instead of making up stuff? I said "ROF had a rough start". I didn't say it was not playable. Take ROF 16 months after release, and look at COD 16 months later....there really is no comparison.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by slm

It would be interesting if next game in the series was decided using Kickstarter or similar site. Players could decide which game to support and the one getting most money would be developed.

That would be a great idea. Instead of buying blind and then complaining about unfinished products, we could be given a choice of 2-3 theaters for future expansions, all set up as separate kickstarter projects. The one that gets the most money also gets the money collected for the remaining projects and gets developed.

This way we get to influence what gets developed next and the developers are ahead of the curve financially, so they can sit down and do things properly instead of cutting corners.


On another note...

It's like 3 posts before any new thread takes a turn for the usual kind of discussions. This is a thread about discussing the possibility of a kickstarter funded scenario and of course, people will say their piece of whether they would support it or not. That doesn't mean they shouldn't mind their tone. Irony leads to come backs from another user with a different opinion, which leads to flame wars, which leads to me deleting posts.

Examples (because apparently i need to spell it out despite the fact that we're mostly adults here)

1) "I believe a kickstarter project wouldn't help because according to Blacksix, the team is looking to hire new programmers and can't find enough who have suitable experience. Also, i wouldn't support this project because i am not satisfied with the rate things have been progressing until now."

This kind of comment is fine. It's a personal opinion, presented politely and it's also backed up with some official data. Of course, you don't need to have official sources to have an opinion, it just adds more weight to your argument.

Someone posting like this will also get help from me if he/she is attacked, despite the fact that it's an unfavorable opinion towards 1c and CoD. Being a moderator is not about "cracking down on dissenters", it's about ensuring everyone can have their say.

2) "I wouldn't waste any more on 1C, they'll probably use it to buy vodka. They can't fix anything anyway."

This kind of comment is nothing but a rant with the potential to invite a similarly worded counter-argument from a person with an opposing opinion. It's not ok and it will get the person posting it in trouble.

Funny how both comments say the same thing but one is somewhat insulting and the other is not, right?

If we do the non-insulting part everything will be fine. Let's use our freedom of speech to present our opinions in a respectable manner, not to drown out the freedom of speech of others. Because frankly, this is what's been happening here for quite some time.

When every single thread is moved towards the same topic after less than a page, then you are interfering with the ability of other users to discuss other topics and you are essentially violating their freedom of speech. And this goes both for the so called "whiners" and the "fanboys", whose endless "forum dogfights" are messing with the ability of others to use the forum.

Well, in my eyes all users are equal, so i'm having none of that. If the thread is mucked up and the usual suspects start being disrespectful to each other, heads will roll.

It's been a long time coming and people must learn that in an open discussion forum it's ok to disagree with each other and not waste their energy trying to convince "opponents" through insults and irony, or purposefully drowning out the voices of those who don't agree with them.

Stay within topic, stay respectful and to those that will, thank you for your cooperation gentlemen and carry on, regardless of your opinions. To those that won't, it's your posting privileges on the line, not mine.

Nothing personal, just doing what i'm supposed to be doing

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

That would be a great idea. Instead of buying blind and then complaining about unfinished products, we could be given a choice of 2-3 theaters for future expansions, all set up as separate kickstarter projects. The one that gets the most money also gets the money collected for the remaining projects and gets developed.

Emphasis added by Artist

Can you imagine the rage of those who kickstarted for say, Spanish Civil War 1936, and get Korea '52 instead? I would be angry . Better to leave the money (for the so far 'unsuccessfuls') in escrow until either enough have been convinced to participate or it is abandoned altogether. And don't let the community decide between two or three choices (I can hear the battle cry "Why is <insert SomeObscureCorner> '43 not up for choice!"), but collect for all and everything - if not enough money is gathered everybody can see the justification of not developing that theater.

[CaptainDoggles]

Can you guys please just permaban David and his merry men?

None of them have ever contributed anything of value.

[salmo]

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff

the way it looks, we need to get 1C involved in a kickstarter project for the patch's...

http://www.kickstarter.com/

I think they'd get a "kick-start" if they released the long-promised SDK's & got talented individuals in the game's community to contribute content & functionality for free.