CLOD features discussion and speculation (moved from Friday June 15-2012 update)

[philip.ed]

AoA, as correct as you are, at no point were such statements retracted. It's not that people are pretending they were misled: they genuinely believed that if they were told X would be in the game with no retraction of statement, and it wasn't, there are clear grounds to show a major element of misleading information.

The box or the website will in no way list every single feature in the game. With your logic, one has reason to grumble for features users aren't told about!


The hard fact is that users should have realised the team were dreaming prior to release, but unfortunately any prominent poster here was hoodwinked.

There's the classic case of the woman who kills her cat by putting it in the microwave when it's cold. There's nothing in the instructions to say this would happen, so she wins her court case.
With the information in Oleg's interviews in mind (which weren't retracted) there's nothing to say the team can't be held responsible. They're the only ones responsible.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

AoA, as correct as you are

Agreed 100%

Originally Posted by philip.ed

, at no point were such statements retracted.

I seem to recall a post in this forum just prior to release that stated what did and didn't make it into the final release.. wrt what had been talked about over the years of development. If you missed it, sorry bout your bad luck! But even if that is not the case, since they were never official stated, listed, advertised, and or promised said features there was no reason, need, and or requirement to retract them.

Hope that helps!

S!

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I seem to recall

S!

Yeah right....post a link to this alleged post before release. Anyone else but Ace remember this pre-release post admitting all the things that were broken or missing from the game? Probably just a dream Ace had...

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I seem to recall a post in this forum just prior to release that stated what did and didn't make it into the final release.. wrt what had been talked about over the years of development. If you missed it, sorry bout your bad luck! But even if that is not the case, since they were never official stated, listed, advertised, and or promised said features there was no reason, need, and or requirement to retract them.

Hope that helps!

S!

First of all, this must surely be a dream of yours, because the team never went through the interviews retracting what features they had claimed would appear in the game.
I'm still waiting for the proof, AoA. Not some ridiculous: "it's there, look for it, good luck!" smarmy post. Genuine, concrete, proof.
Frankly I don't think you've been round these forums long enough in the build up to the game to provide any kind of objective stance on the development, and perceptions in the lead up to the release.

Indeed, surely any information from a member of the team classes any information as official? Without a disclaimer in any interviews to say that such information is subject to change, anyone has reasonable grounds to question.

Originally Posted by Force10

Yeah right....post a link to this alleged post before release. Anyone else but Ace remember this pre-release post admitting all the things that were broken or missing from the game? Probably just a dream Ace had...

Haha exactly right.

Anyone read Animal Farm? In a year Ace will be telling us it's a dream the game was so poor on release, and that actually it functioned beautifully.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I'm still waiting for the proof, AoA.

Your wait is over..

Luither said this about a month before the RU release of CoD..

Originally Posted by luither

I have to add a disclaimer here because when I don't it bites us in the rear. Everything I'm discussing in terms of future plans is a work in progress and is subject to change. As a matter of fact, it's pretty much a guarantee that the final feature will be different from what I'm describing today.

Please gentlemen, understand that game development is a very long, complex process. Plans we describe are just that, plans. Every single thing we said we were working on, we were indeed working on at the time. Working is the key work here. We're doing something no one, including ourselves, has ever done before. So when we tell you that we're working on something, that means we are walking down an uncertain road and we don't know when we get there, and what shape we're going to be in when we do.

WORK. IN. PROGRESS. Please understand these simple words.

link http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=114

Hope this helps!

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Your wait is over..

Luither said this about a month before the RU release of CoD..



link http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=114

Hope this helps!

It's helpful, but ambiguous. At no point does he make any suggestion towards features which will be omitted, and as has been pointed out, there is no list of omitted features.

It's a post which people need reminding about though, but doesn't answer the question for the simple fact that Oleg talked of features which were never really discussed again. A map builder, which looked finished - for instance - which many took for granted would just be included.

Anyway, enough of this now. thanks for bringing this post up, as it was a good read

[bongodriver]

WOW.....how are people not getting that the 'ambiguity' is the reason there is no list, the whole point was to say that 'everything' is under review.....as in anything you could care to list is included in the 'blanket' statement.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

Guys its time to take this OFF TOPIC discussion to a new thread.

Sorry Phat.. didn't see this until after I posted the proof phill requested.. I wont post anymore on it in this thread, if he or force want to reply, please feel free to PM me! S!

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Agreed 100%


I seem to recall a post in this forum just prior to release that stated what did and didn't make it into the final release

That obscure post #114 in a response to furbs on page 12 of a thread is not a sufficient warning. He did not state "what did and didn't make it into the final release" it was very vague in a response to clouds.

Nice try though.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

That obscure post #114 in a response to furbs on page 12 of a thread is not a sufficient warning. He did not state "what did and didn't make it into the final release" it was very vague in a response to clouds.

Nice try though.

Vague?

Hardly

Also Luithers reply in that post was NOT limited to frubs post.. I think if you read Luithers post again you will see it applies to all features mentioned prior to the release.

Which as I pointed out before, 'typically' goes without saying, but in light of some of the special members of this forum, Clearly Luither felt it had to be said for the special people of this forum

Hope that helps S!

PS per Phat's notice/request.. I recomend we take this to PM, assuming you have any more questions that need answering! S!