Vulching on the ATAG server.

[von Brühl]

Originally Posted by ATAG_knuckles

Borris: as long as we are on the subject: (which is a much better subject than the original) I dont remember see many "if any" gun camera footage of German strafing airfields, plenty of American though

German guncam footage is rare as a rule, but that's not saying the LW didn't get to shoot during WWII. Most of the film was lost/destroyed. However, I believe you are on the right track, the 109s did not as a rule spend time strafing airfields, they were kept busy at height.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ATAG_knuckles

Borris: as long as we are on the subject: (which is a much better subject than the original) I dont remember see many "if any" gun camera footage of German strafing airfields, plenty of American though

The 109 rarely used gun-camera, because they have external guncam only (ESK 2000a type).

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by theOden

Now I'm getting confused.
Two others said Luftwaffe didnt have 109's orbiting RAF airbases picking easy victories during the war but you say otherwise.

Could it be that you mix historically correctness with something else?

I think the term of 'historic' being tossed about in this debate is really more accurately described as realistic.

It's realistic in that the pilot is responsible for his own actions. It is not historic in that those actions may or may not be an accurate representation of recorded actions taken during the period being simulated.

I'm a big fan of not imposing rules such as 'no vulching'. Players should be responsible for their own actions just as the real pilots were.

You can choose who to play with and how.

[theOden]

Thank you bw_wolverine, that's pretty much what I was getting at

I also prefer "no rules" and all points you made out but thing is this is a game and not one single 109 pilot needs to fly "historically".

This creates, in worst case, situations where rules have to be applied to gain a more "realistic/historical" experience how backward it may sound.

Now, for the record I honestly hope ATAG will remain as is with the "no rules" setup. Just felt like nagging the words used and wasn't very impressed with knuckles post, typical internet tough-guy stuff, which I'm sure he is not as most ATAG's I've seen are rather cool guys

[ATAG_knuckles]

Originally Posted by theOden

Thank you bw_wolverine, that's pretty much what I was getting at

I also prefer "no rules" and all points you made out but thing is this is a game and not one single 109 pilot needs to fly "historically".

This creates, in worst case, situations where rules have to be applied to gain a more "realistic/historical" experience how backward it may sound.

Now, for the record I honestly hope ATAG will remain as is with the "no rules" setup. Just felt like nagging the words used and wasn't very impressed with knuckles post, typical internet tough-guy stuff, which I'm sure he is not as most ATAG's I've seen are rather cool guys

O.K. Oden: ya got me there: My humble apology here. Actually as I wrote some of those post I had that nagging voice saying, "somebody's gonna hand you your Butt" So I consider my butt handed. For good reasons I usually steer clear when someones OPINION dosen't match mine. Clearly the case here. And as you say ATAG has a responsibility NOT to jump on opinions So as I said I bow (especially before another ATAG member toilet papers my house.

[ATAG_Colander]

Originally Posted by ATAG_knuckles

...before another ATAG member toilet papers my house

Too late!

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by ATAG_knuckles

Oh I know a 109 against a Blenheim now that crap has just gotta stop !!!!

No offense intended to anyone here but that reply really made me laugh Knucks!