Spit IIa is now so much more inferior to the 109

[Jatta Raso]

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Why play red at all?

I was just in a dog fight online in a IIa getting boomed and zoomed by a 109 - he had 30 - 40% more lift and speed on me on every sweep past and he just flew away from me everytime. Seriously, there is no way that is historically correct. I am an ok pilot, I know about energy etc, but the 109 is such a better plane in this sim now, there is no point trying to fly in a dogfight 1 on 1 if you're in a spit.

The 109's are the only planes that didnt get spanked in the new patch, what the hell is that all about???

Not to mention the 109's just fly away when the do run out of ammo, and the spits cant even get close to catching them.

Honestly It kills the game, why play red at all, if the 109s continue to be so much better, pilots will go somewhere else, leaving nothing but blue planes on their own.

sorry, you're far from ok pilot (at least with a Spit); if you do it right a Spit will give really nasty surprises to the 109s, i'll say you're mostly wrong, keep practicing or join the blues

[von Brühl]

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

The 109's are the only planes that didnt get spanked in the new patch, what the hell is that all about???

They also did not get the speed increase they were stated to receive.

[Seadog]

Spit I and Me 109 performance:

[theOden]

Originally Posted by Seadog

Spit I and Me 109 performance:
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It's a graph from internet so it must be the truth.

[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by theOden

It's a graph from internet so it must be the truth.

Indeed ha ha!

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by theOden

It's a graph from internet so it must be the truth.

The source for each line is given and all of them are available in the internet. So it shouldn't be a problem for you to check the values and report any anomalies.

[Flanker35M]

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But I see the problem right there. Now people look at that graph and see thick blue line faster than Bf109E. But forget to check a "minor" thing..it is with 12lbs boost not the lower continuous power. And on that the Spitfire is slower than Bf109E. And it seems, according to that graph, that Spitfire and Bf109E were quite evenly matched regarding speed on power settings below WEP or overboost. But again can not stress enough that should not take the 12lbs curve as the absolute speed of Spitfire as it could not run that setting indefinitely but for a limited time like Bf109E it's WEP.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

The source for each line is given and all of them are available in the internet. So it shouldn't be a problem for you to check the values and report any anomalies.

The V15a figures depicted in the William's graph are showing the aircraft down on power. As per the report the aircraft engine was down on power (by 45 PS), and the results were corrected to the nominal engine outputs. With the corrected output, speeds were 498 km/h (309 mph) on the deck and 574 km/h at 4800 m (356 mph at 15750 feet). See:

http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test...w_109V15a.html

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

For Spitfire we have:
12lbs - 5 minutes emergency power
6 1/2 lbs - 30 minutes continous power

6 1/2 lbs at 3000 rpm was 5 minute power, not 30 min on the Spitfire. 6 1/2 at 3000 lbs was a "climb" power but only with the rpm reduced to 2800.

This one is more realistics, with some of the 'accidentally omitted' added.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Why play red at all?

I was just in a dog fight online in a IIa getting boomed and zoomed by a 109 - he had 30 - 40% more lift and speed on me on every sweep past and he just flew away from me everytime. Seriously, there is no way that is historically correct.

What?

So this 109 had an alt advantage on you and your supirsed he was able to boom and zoom you? It does NOT get more historical than that!