The Crystal Ball 2

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

You've got to be kidding me. (I had a swear word in there too).

Originally Posted by banned

+1

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Physician, heal thyself...

funny how to me you're among the ones that exactly fall into the aforementioned category, although your posts are probably just because you just don't like me, but hey, "can't please everyone!" they say

I find myself agreeing with Kendo65 and Feathered IV here, this place could have been such a fantastic opportunity for community help and support, but if anything we have exactly the opposite. What made me think of it is the last examples of newbies (alleged or not, it doesn't matter) who voiced their opinion and disappointment and were so stupidly attacked and accused of god knows what. I mean, stop for a second about it: if these folks are indeed real newbies (or if other newcomers read your reactions), what kind of image do you think they would get from this?! My whole Alamo point is that there's a bunch of fanatics sitting on top of a bare mountain with NOTHING in their hands but promises, and instead of reaching out and saying "hey, we know it's been an endless joke this patch thing, but please have faith, it will be marvellous and the best combat sim ever!" they just spew out all their resentment and anger blaming people that complain along the lines of "hey guys, sorry to bring this up but it kinda feels like we've been ripped off!" for the failure of CoD. They don't blame the devs for their appalling lack of management, but the folks that used their honestly earned money to buy a produce that will never be. Because let's be honest, CoD per se is a failure: an incomplete sim which worked as a HUGE beta for devs, (and mind you, they still talk about beta patch release!) who racked up on useful info and have started developing something else.

Battle of Moscow will surely be a more refined product, which will still bring with itself all the incompetence of the managerial line of 1C/Maddox Games unfortunately, but which surely will make treasure of all the learning curve of CoD.

And hey, again I'm sorry if my opinion upsets someone, but if you aren't mature enough to take a critique and ask mods to ban negative comments and people who made them, then you'd better shut this place down and thinking about what the hell went wrong down the line fellas.

[bongodriver]

Hi Stern,

All good points and a very level headed way to see things, but it is still slightly naive.

it's funny how the newbies alway seem to join immediately after recent bannings, uncanny how they often have buzz phrases 'like it's been over a year now this is a joke'....a genuine newbie might be somewhat less bothered having purchased the sim for about $10 , theres always another way to see things.

[Sternjaeger II]

yeah but it still remains that if an actual newbie reads the way people are treated here, he will be like "the hell with these delusional nerds, I'm outta here" and will put the game on the shelf.

And it's not just about delusion or being a nerd/fanboi or whatever, it's about being selfish: some folks here really think that for some reason they're entitled to know better than others what's right or wrong about this sim, looking at minuscule details to avoid realising the biggest, dramatic picture; they're happy if people leaves, so that they can be the undiscussed kings of this mountain of rubbish. Happy for people to leave! Can you imagine anything more counterproductive for a niche product like this?!

It's sad, I'm sure that all that energy could be channeled along better routes, but for some odd reason being aggressive on a forum is so much easier and rewarding for these individuals..

[bongodriver]

Can you imagine anything more counterproductive for a niche product like this?!

A forum filled with uninhibited slander/complaining/whining/other forms of malice, or would you say that these things are not happening? is jumping onto the 'soap box' and shouting at 'everyone' that because you consider the game doomed and <insert criticism od choice> not selfish?

It's sad, I'm sure that all that energy could be channeled along better routes, but for some odd reason being aggressive on a forum is so much easier and rewarding for these individuals..

I just hope you are including both sides of the fence to this statement.

[bongodriver]

I might add I just served my 2 month ban for being an 'uberfanboi'.....didn't notice rallies of support over it.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I might add I just served my 2 month ban for being an 'uberfanboi'.....didn't notice rallies of support over it.

Wondered where you'd been. Welcome back mate!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Wondered where you'd been. Welcome back mate!

Thanks Dutch...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

A forum filled with uninhibited slander/complaining/whining/other forms of malice, or would you say that these things are not happening? is jumping onto the 'soap box' and shouting at 'everyone' that because you consider the game doomed and <insert criticism od choice> not selfish?

I just hope you are including both sides of the fence to this statement.

yeah, this is an observation referred to ALL of us. I don't believe in the fanboy/whiner division, I just think people have different thresholds of "not feeling someone's taking the pi$$ on me", that's it. It's not like we're not all fans, we wouldn't be here, it's that some of us have waited for far too long after far too many promises.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I might add I just served my 2 month ban for being an 'uberfanboi'.....didn't notice rallies of support over it.

yeah, wondered where you've been lately, place ain't the same without you! But then I thought you needed a bit of a break like I felt I did.. if only it wasn't for those Friday updates

[bongodriver]

it's that some of us have waited for far too long after far too many promises

Believe it or not I can sympathise 100% with that sentiment, I never mean to deny these beliefs or their individual validity, youv'e lost faith and thats entirely your decision.......I don't believe in god but I'm not going to crash my local church and shout 'why am I forsaken?' and tell everyone they are just stupid 'god fanbois'.

yeah, wondered where you've been lately, place ain't the same without you! But then I thought you needed a bit of a break like I felt I did.. if only it wasn't for those Friday updates

Nobody even visited me in prison

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

A forum filled with uninhibited slander/complaining/whining/other forms of malice, or would you say that these things are not happening? is jumping onto the 'soap box' and shouting at 'everyone' that because you consider the game doomed and <insert criticism od choice> not selfish?

The reality we have is that some people feel unhappy with the game or aspects of it and feel the need to say so. Other people either are content with the game or resent the sometimes aggressive tone of the complaints.

Honestly, I can see both sides of the argument.

But in all the months it has been raging where has the arguing got anyone? I'm not aware of anyone from either camp having a blinding flash of insight at the outstanding argument put up by the other side, seeing the error of his ways and changing his opinion. Instead it just goes round and round, like goldfish in a tank - apparently unaware that they did exactly the same thing 3 days ago, 2 weeks ago, 4 months ago...

The thing I'd like ALL those who are arguing to realise is that THEY are the ones who are doing most to damage this forum and the game at the present time. It has got totally out of hand - so many threads are being hijacked to provide a vehicle for the point-scoring and one-upmanship. What you - ALL of you - are doing is annoying other forum users and turning them off even wanting to come here.



Two points for the mods. I have started using the ignore list, but

1. It doesn't work unless you are logged in. I usually only log in when I want to post, so it's not always effective.

2. It seems a little unfair to expect two or three hundred other forum users to have to change how they use the forum rather than the six or seven people who cause the problem.