Upcoming Patch FM Changes

[Kwiatek]

We know that all planes need FM and peformacne revsion.

We know that all planes are lacked in performacne at higher alts operation.

We know that in CLod British fighters lack 100 Octan fuel and +12 lbs mainfold pressure perfomance ( both Spitfire MK1 and Hurricane MK1)

We know that 109 E lack in speed also at low alts - now it reach only 460 kph at 0 km instead about 500 kph.

These facts are confirmed by RL data and test.

I just want see speed/climb polars after beta patch but looking at Luthier todays news about FM changes i have many doubts about performacne CLoD fighters.

Luthier didnt mention about use 100 Octan fuel ( +12lbs) performacne in British planes but rather about redcution speed. The same he wrote only about minor changes in 109 FM.

Also Luthier said that they have problem to make accurate performance at higher alts beacuse of FM engine problems - i really wonder about it beacuse even in old good Il2 it was possible to get satisfactory results expecially in speed and climb performacne even at higher alts ( i know about it beacuse i was FM modder for Ultr@Pack).

I have really big doubts now that it would be make in fair and historical way but we all could see soon.

[Faustnik]

Good to see you guys! I caught a lot of bass last week.


For testing, the oil radiator damage is good for Spits and 109. The clycol damage does not work. The spits easies to test. Port damage shows the black oil smoke and the Spits going down quickly. The starboard damage shows green clycol smoke and the Spits can fly for a long time. 109 can fly from England to France with will 100 power with both clycol radiator punctured and all clycol lost.

So, 109E3 or E4s have a big advantage with the 20mm. 7.7 MGs worked fine againts 109s in history. Not the same in the game.

Maybe it will be fixed next week!

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Faustnik

Good to see you guys! I caught a lot of bass last week.


For testing, the oil radiator damage is good for Spits and 109. The clycol damage does not work. The spits easies to test. Port damage shows the black oil smoke and the Spits going down quickly. The starboard damage shows green clycol smoke and the Spits can fly for a long time. 109 can fly from England to France with will 100 power with both clycol radiator punctured and all clycol lost.

So, 109E3 or E4s have a big advantage with the 20mm. 7.7 MGs worked fine againts 109s in history. Not the same in the game.

Maybe it will be fixed next week!

Nice one!

I do notice on-line that fellow 109 pilots just spawn and take off right away...while I sit there warming up, not sure if they get engine damage as a result.

[Gabelschwanz Teufel]

Originally Posted by Faustnik

Good to see you guys! I caught a lot of bass last week.

Nice toad!

[Faustnik]

Thanks guys.

[von Brühl]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

I guess it's quite possible that radiator failure on a 109 isn't as devestating as it would be in a Spit/Hurri?

If that's historically correct, then I guess it's okay. Just a little more uphill for us Red to climb

Redundant systems, the 109s had a system for shutting pressure to a damaged radiator, and a single rad was enough to cool it somewhat. Although it shouldn't last forever at high output, it would be a far longer lasting than the single rad being damaged in the RAF planes.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by von Brühl

Redundant systems, the 109s had a system for shutting pressure to a damaged radiator, and a single rad was enough to cool it somewhat. Although it shouldn't last forever at high output, it would be a far longer lasting than the single rad being damaged in the RAF planes.

I believe this was introduced only with the latter batches of 109F; the Emil did not have them.

On the other hand, the Emil did have an 8mm armor plate right behind the fuel tank, which would render the fuel tank bulletproof from .303 hits from directly behind (it was possible though to hit the fuel tank directly if fired from an angle and bypass the armor plate).

[Sutts]

"We've performed a tremendous amount of work testing and improving flight models in the game, as well as improving various aircraft engines"

Wonder what "improving aircraft engines" means? Just improving engine power at various altitudes could have a big impact on performance - such as the ability to maintain a certain turn rate. Let's wait and see.

I'd really like to know who "Sean" is - the guy who supplied the testing data. Anyone any ideas? He might be able to tell us the source of the data and give us some confidence in the FM tweaks.

Could be Sean Trestrail mentioned in this old post?:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...22&postcount=5

[IvanK]

Yes its me. The Source data comes from direct copies of Spitfire,Hurricane (and RAF test data on 109and 110) copied from original files after countless days spent in the UK national archives. The files were copied by photographing each page. All the data was then provided to the team as is. However these are not the sole references used but add to the "data bank"

[IvanK]

Here is sample of in game climb performance overlayed over original Source Data from the Archives.