Upcoming Patch FM Changes

bw_wolverine · #1 04-13-2012, 12:54 PM

EDIT:We will obviously have to wait and see for any real conclusions to be made about the upcoming changes. This thread is just about your gut feelings. I'm very happy changes are being made.

Sooo according to today's update (Apr 13), the RAF planes are pretty much getting WORSE. No talk at all about any changes to current Blue planes except Italian G.50.

How do you feel about this?

Personally:

Spit IIa needed to be brought back a little bit from its current performance, but 60mph across the board seems like a bit much. That almost seems like it will be made to fly like the current Ia!

Hurricane made worse than it is currently? Great. Had a hard enough time as it is. I guess Hurricane pilots will have to switch tactics to 'get to 21k ft and dive at enemy. try to get big hit or ram him. if you miss, try to keep diving over england and bail out before your wings come off or he catches and shoots you'.

Spit Ia receives minor change. Not sure how it will affect its overall performance, but I at least expected some kind of a speed increase in level flight at all altitudes. Zip.

All the above opinions are obvious PRE-patch, so maybe I'm wrong on all counts. I hope I am.

fruitbat · #2 04-13-2012, 12:55 PM

lets wait and see.....

bw_wolverine · #3 04-13-2012, 01:04 PM

I just hope the devs realize that the RAF flight data is in MPH not KPH. That would explain the problems.

Sven · #4 04-13-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Hurricane made worse than it is currently? Great. Had a hard enough time as it is. I guess Hurricane pilots will have to switch tactics to 'get to 21k ft and dive at enemy. try to get big hit or ram him. if you miss, try to keep diving over england and bail out before your wings come off or he catches and shoots you'.

Did you think the Hurricane is the BF109's nemesis?
It's quite clear what the job of the Hurricane was in the BoB, and it did just that with good results, I thought it had something to do with shooting down slow bombers and stukas...

recoilfx · #5 04-13-2012, 01:09 PM

Wolverine, Luthier said "sometimes 60 mph better than the real thing.", not across the board.

There will be game play adjustments on the ATAG server if things get out of balance. There is no conspiracy on the ATAG to keep the red players out. We like challenges.

bw_wolverine · #6 04-13-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven

Did you think the Hurricane is the BF109's nemesis?
It's quite clear what the job of the Hurricane was in the BoB, and it did just that with good results, I thought it had something to do with shooting down slow bombers and stukas...

That'd be great if there were lots of bombers to take on. Big formations. That's fun for a Hurricane pilot. But that's not happening. Maybe the patch will allow lots more aircraft in the air and we can start to REALLY get into Battle of Britain missions and have all the realism that goes with it.

I got the sense that no one was complaining about the Hurricane's performance relative to the 109s. Now, suddenly, we have people coming out of the woodwork to say 'yes! Nerf that UFO Hurricane!'

I guess we wait and see.

Sven · #7 04-13-2012, 01:40 PM

Yes because the Hurricane performed like a Spitfire, while it shouldn't it did give us the BoB feel of an airplane that was close to the BF109 to compete against. Now that the FM changes are coming based on real life data we're glad the Hurricane is dumbed down, and the Spit MK1 can take it's place.

JG5_emil · #8 04-13-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven

Yes because the Hurricane performed like a Spitfire, while it shouldn't it did give us the BoB feel of an airplane that was close to the BF109 to compete against. Now that the FM changes are coming based on real life data we're glad the Hurricane is dumbed down, and the Spit MK1 can take it's place.

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I still think you will only see the Spit 2 getting flow on the servers though

bw_wolverine · #9 04-13-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven

Yes because the Hurricane performed like a Spitfire, while it shouldn't it did give us the BoB feel of an airplane that was close to the BF109 to compete against. Now that the FM changes are coming based on real life data we're glad the Hurricane is dumbed down, and the Spit MK1 can take it's place.

Fair enough. Let's hope that's the case. I'd love it if Luthier put up a graph like he did for the G.50.

BGs_Ricky · #10 04-13-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

That'd be great if there were lots of bombers to take on. Big formations. That's fun for a Hurricane pilot. But that's not happening. Maybe the patch will allow lots more aircraft in the air and we can start to REALLY get into Battle of Britain missions and have all the realism that goes with it.

I got the sense that no one was complaining about the Hurricane's performance relative to the 109s. Now, suddenly, we have people coming out of the woodwork to say 'yes! Nerf that UFO Hurricane!'

I guess we wait and see.

Like always in flights sim it's difficult to say that "this plane is better/worse than IRL" when the typical engagements and conditions are not met in the sim, i.e. RAF fighters vectored by radar, squadrons engaging the escort to free the way for others, large number of planes and people flying in pairs/groups etc...

Given the right conditions Hurricanes were perfectly capable of holding their own against 109s, but you'll read as well many reports of Hurricanes pilots being always jumped by 109 flying high and feeling impotent...