BoB & Spitfire vs Hurricane (vs 109-ish) - an interesting viewpoint

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no, but there are many darker and controversial events of history that are deliberately overlooked. The holocaust did happen but it wasn't the biggest genocide of history, yet it's portrayed as the most horrific thing ever (probably because it's so well documented). The Battle of Britain isn't a lie, the aerial clashes over the Channel in 1940 were real and fierce, but one side perceived it in a way and the other in a totally different way. The use of the concept of "battle" is somehow wrong, since Great Britain wasn't sure of what was going to happen, whilst the Luftwaffe knew that their intervention was part of a much bigger operation.

Ok I can concede that the holocaust was not the largest genocide in history, the biggest were done by China and Russia, the point is that Germany started a war and that was enough to justify the allies to respond in kind because even without a Nazi agenda the Germans were wrong to start it.
Why is it so hard for you to accept the battle of Britain as a battle? Isn't 2 opposing sides engaged in combat enough? Who exactly is being picky here? I'm sorry but your explanation of the British not being sure of what would happen etc seems like complete garbage can you spell that one out a bit better because I haven't seen that definition used to explain a 'battle' before, while you are at it can you tell me if the battle of France, the battle of the bulge were battles? Or is it just simply a case of the Germans not calling it a battle so it can't have been.

my whole point is that there's no absolute goodies or baddies, we all have our fair share of despicable actions. It's all about who overcomes who and they will claim to be the good ones

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I don't recall mentioning anything about absolute goodies and baddies, so yes I can concur it is very much a point only you have made, either way even you have said thank goodness the allies won, is that not an acknowledgement on your behalf that in relative terms the allies were better than the Nazis? If yes then you seem to take this discussion down some irrelevant roads, if no then you need to take back a few of your own statements.

I don't think of myself as a Nazi apologist, there's not much that can be justified in their conduct, so no.

Ok, it's just that you do a lot of nitpicky type of explanations that are geared around showing the Nazis didn't commit the worst atrocities in history, and also in your own words justifying their actions because they believed they were fighting a good cause, it sounds quite apologetic and in contradiction to other statements you have made.

Yes, Nazi Germany started WW2

Interesting choice to highlight Nazi here, as if to suggest the Germany part is not relevant, I believe the German military were from Germany no? They were the sons and daughters of German families were they not? It does make it easier for me to accept you are not so much a Nazi apologist , but you obviously feel a very strong affection of things German, and in a Gallant way you are trying to defend the honour of Germans, don't worry, I really don't think the Germans need it, I personally don't hold every German responsible for the past, the war is over.

fair enough

Thank you

P.s. I forgot to quote the shneider trophy point, I must say your own knowledge of the subject is quite questionable, not exactly a case of a one horse race, it's just all the participants that season were British, the other participants didn't get machines ready in time, yes just turning up is a less satisfying way to win an event but it's a given that the supermarine aircraft would have won even if the others did turn up.