BoB & Spitfire vs Hurricane (vs 109-ish) - an interesting viewpoint

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Why is it so hard to accept and understand that history is written by the winners?

it's not hard to accept, it's just ludicrous to suggest that because of that it 'must' be all lies, did the Vietnamese win the Vietnam war?.....yes.....whose history tells us so?.......everybody's because it is fact.

There's no questioning on what we think were the good and bad guys, but it still remains that it's all relative to the side you're in.
The Allies won (thank God!), and in doing so they put down the fundaments of our modern society, and in terms of history they made sure that the evil done by "the enemy" was remembered and condemned, but when evil acts were done by them, they dismissed them as done for a just cause.
What is striking is that some people probably think the Nazis knew they were the baddies: it is not the case, in their own view they were doing their best to clean the world and establish a new world order, which is pretty much what was done by the Allies.

this is the most incredible thing I have heard yet, frankly it's disgusting and offensive and you have just fallen straight into the Nazi appologist cattegory, as bad as bombing civillians is, there is no justification for exterminating people en-masse in the most inhumane ways conceivable based purely on ethnicity and religion, the civillian populations of Germany were never targeted for extermination, the Allies did't make the decisions to bomb them easily, what had to be taken into account was that these Germans were working in munitions factories, they were creating future generations for their armies, they were responsible for perpetuating the situation, they may have been a 'frightened' populace affraid to turn against their oppresive taskmasters but the fact is their reluctance to act was causing the greatest injustice in the world and the allies were doing something about it and at least made an attempt to warn them.

I mean, it's all relative: persecution and segregation was perpetrated over the years by "us good guys" as well (think of Sir Alan Turing and gay persecution or the African American race laws just to name a couple, and I'm not even going to mention Stalin and his 20+ millions of victims), it was just a clash of different agendas.

This all "good vs evil" thing is so naive, I can't believe people still apply such standards to history and society.

I realise now that your concern for these causes is a smokescreen, it is just merly a way for you to justify your Nazi sympathy by appearing in touch with moderate views.

yeah but a win is a win, at least according to them

very much like school playground, doesn't matter how and by how much, as long as it's a win.. Schneider Trophy anyone?

an uncalled for snipe at the British which as far as I saw was not prompted by any of the alleged Nationalist propaganda you so often cry about, what has the schneider trophy got to do with it? nobody bothered to oppose the British because it was pointless by then, it's not the Brits fault, if only you had the same views when it came to your beloved Nazis and their unfairly advantaged/unopposed conquests in europe.

Well of course, whenever you have a regime you also have a dissenting part, I'm not saying all the Germans were good or bad, I'm just saying that the Nazis thought they were fighting for a worthy cause, what's so disturbing about that?

what is disturbing about it? let me see, it might have something to do with the fact it was brutal/total/mercyless genocide they thought was a 'good cause' like nothing the world had seen before.

The fact that many politicians didn't like how Churchill gained prestige and fame from the war events is not a mystery, as I'm also sure you know that a certain part of the British Royal Family had certain questionable sympathies of "National-socialistic nature", even David Lloyd George and Neville Chamberlain initially had only words of praise and admiration for Hitler, so it's not all that black and white as you might think..

George Galloway had noting but 'praise and admiration' for Sadam Hussein, and he's just been elected into parliament here, yes this world is 'crazy and FUBAR', but neville chaimberlain didn't lead Britain during the war, your arguments are a little weak by using the moderate branding of National socialism, it was just a way for Hitler to convince the German populace they needed him in power, yes the Germans thought they were fighting for a good cause, it's just it was all a lie created to hide Hitlers true agenda, the Germans fell for it and fought for it and ultimately paid the price.

well technically that's incorrect, since Operation Sea Lion was put on indefinite hold. Once again, battle of semantics..

remember that folks, if youre ever getting an arse kicking just give up and say it's on indefinate hold and you never really lose......brilliant!