The MOD mentality....

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Nope its reduced due the mods and the fractured HL community.

Ha! Whatever dude.
Good thing this is being presented as an opinion, rather than a fact. Which it patently isn't.

[Bearcat]

FWIW I still get a h@ell of a lot of fun out of this sim. Modded and stock, online and off.

[Kittle]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

FWIW I still get a h@ell of a lot of fun out of this sim. Modded and stock, online and off.

There it is, in so few words, the real meaning of life. If it's fun for you, awesome, have FUN! If you're not having fun? Awesome, cause you don't have to do it anymore and move on to things that are in fact fun. Everyone is looking for something different, and get it through whatever way works for them. I say, if they're having fun, why mess with them??? We are fans of a genre that doesn't have enough people as it is, and I guarantee that at least one person gets turned off the community enough from all of this that we never even hear from them, and that's just a shame any way you look at it. Why oh Why must mods fire some people up soooo much that this is necessary???

[Asheshouse]

Disclaimer: No mods were harmed in the making of this thread.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

Disclaimer: No mods were harmed in the making of this thread.

lol.

[daidalos.team]

@Asheshouse, nothing personal against you, but releasing additional NG content could harm the IL-2 owner financially (if done by TD). It's easier to break rules then to follow them even though you may not like them. If there was a real threat to you from NG, you would drop your work tonight. It's the anonymity of Internet that allow people to bypass rules they will or do respect in their real lifes.

There is a finished model of Yorktown available to TD for years, but we will not release it not to jeopardize 1C. One 3D model is not worth the risk.

Martin

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

Disclaimer: No mods were harmed in the making of this thread.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

...and its looking like this:

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Ha! Whatever dude.
Good thing this is being presented as an opinion, rather than a fact. Which it patently isn't.

Where's the regular 800+ users gone to before the mods arrived ?

Have a look at the HL servers.

@ 19:30 GMT the 2 busiest servers are running v4.11 over 40 pilots in both.

other servers are running

v409 + UP 201

v4101 + UP rc3

Throw HSFX + Expert mode into the mix also and tell me mods didn't fragment and loose new people coming to the sim due to the mess thats out there with hacked games,
as well as users leaving IL2 due to the mods.

I have used the mods in the past and found the user made maps to be the only real benefit as it opens up the games longevity through more interesting theatres.

I'm sure that TD have things they would want to put into IL21946 but are restricted, (Channel Map for one) lets hope some of the maps can make it into the stock game at least.

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[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Where's the regular 800+ users gone to before the mods arrived ?
Have a look at the HL servers.
@ 19:30 GMT the 2 busiest servers are running v4.11 over 40 pilots in both.
other servers are running
v409 + UP 201
v4101 + UP rc3
Throw HSFX + Expert mode into the mix also and tell me mods didn't fragment and loose new people coming to the sim due to the mess thats out there with hacked games,
as well as users leaving IL2 due to the mods.
I have used the mods in the past and found the user made maps to be the only real benefit as it opens up the games longevity through more interesting theatres.
I'm sure that TD have things they would want to put into IL21946 but are restricted, (Channel Map for one) lets hope some of the maps can make it into the stock game at least.
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I have no doubt that mods have had a negative impact.. I am just saying that it is not all negative .. and truth be told .. if TD keeps gong in the direction it is going things will be more unified .. 6DoF is now in the stock sim .. and done better than any mod pack IMO.. MDS is in there ... a few more maps .. a few more planes... only the best of the mod planes ... and really ... it is not that difficult anymore. Most mod packs have some kind of switcher to go from modded to stock...

Those who "left because of mods" are just making excuses and need to admit that they either got bored .. or are too stupid or lazy to install and patch the sim, modded or not. It is much much better than it has ever been since this all started except for in the Golden Age of IL2 .. and as I said.. those days are gone forever and they won't be back. The fact that there are now more stock servers running than there have been in a long while also says a lot.. so those guys actually have a place to go.. Folks need to just do what they do .. and enjoy the sim. Modded or stock, whatever your flavor, If you aren't trying to keep the sim alive by participating in it then you just need to shut up and move on (that is a general "you" not directed at anyone in this thread..) and that is the real .. and the ONLY bottom line in all this... the debate on mods pro or con is moot and just a foolish waste of time.

[fruitbat]

+1 to what Bearcat said.

From my own point of view, if stock had one of the FoV mods as part of it to enable true widescreen support i could quite happily live with that and fly completely stock.

As it is, i've modded my 4.11 just to have that as for me, thats a must.

That along with some cockpit repaints and some map repaints, and some visual effects mods since its already modable. I can live without the mod planes, there's enough in stock to keep me and my squad busy in the main.

I understand why Team D can't incorporate many of the cockpit repaints because of the size of the textures etc, but i've got a good computer so it doesn't hinder my performance, and i do like the eye candy.

I do miss the maps though, but again understand why TeamD can't use many of them.

At the moment the dangerdogz are flying a mix of 4.11 and UP3. UP3 because we have an event running at the moment for which we need it, but more and more 4.11 for regular flying, especially if i'm hosting as i love the ai and overheat in 4.11.

Of course, with the new ai, it doesn't always go to plan....... Somewhere near Berlin after getting bounced by La7's, Doh!