Is anyone level bombing in the HE-111?

[He111]

Originally Posted by robtek

I believe we are spoiled by the accuratesse of bomb drops in 1946!!

What we are experiencing here at the moment reflects reality much better.

Bombing under combat conditions then was a arcane science, depending on luck besides the technic.

Agree.

You could try lower level bombing to gain accuracy, England early in the war had little AA so this shouldn't be any riskier?

One day, i'm going to have to live up to my name ..

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[jimbop]

Sorry, I just have to nip this in the bud to avoid the devs thinking there is no problem.

If you level bomb in the HE-111 the historically correct way (e.g. gunsight fixed on target, correct altitude above target entered and TAS entered as sight velocity) YOU WILL MISS. You will hit short every single time. To hit the target you have to misuse the sight.

I would not mind seeing some randomness thrown in to better resemble wartime conditions but this should be a +/- effect, not simply minus and by exactly the same margin each time.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by jimbop

Robtek, you're probably right. However, I doubt that LW bombardiers had to convert to MPH and then manually keep the sight on the target so I don't think a fix for the release calibration would spoil us too much, would it?

Also, I have no problem with the Blenheim being relatively inaccurate compared with bombers with automated sights. I would not, for instance, like the horizontal stabilizer added to the Blenheim. But I would really like to fly a red bomber that had a chance of hitting a target from 10,000 feet.

Well, i don't want to bring you down mate but i think all the main RAF bombers, at least until quite late in the war, used devices similar to the one fitted to the Blenheim.

Meaning, the only thing that will probably change if we get a Wellington is the available payload and maybe a more stable (and more sluggish) platform

[Heinz Laube]

i fly the H111 and Ju88 most time in the game, mainly on ATAG server... u dont need calculate so much IAS <-> TAS...TAS<-> MPH... the target cross do not shows the impact point of the first bomb, it shows the impact of nearly the last bomb of a intervall drop, imo
i drop 8 *250kg Intervall of 8 , distance 40m......
since i use it in that way, correct height and IAS, i have a high hit qoute in the H111,
seems to be reserved, like a few things in the game maybe it would be explain, why the bombs explodes backwards, aswell...

but i still prefer the mighty Ju88 and dive bomb, h111 i use for afk flights :p

[ATAG_Keller]

Originally Posted by II./JG27_Winter

i fly the H111 and Ju88 most time in the game, mainly on ATAG server... u dont need calculate so much IAS <-> TAS...TAS<-> MPH... the target cross do not shows the impact point of the first bomb, it shows the impact of nearly the last bomb of a intervall drop, imo
i drop 8 *250kg Intervall of 8 , distance 40m......
since i use it in that way, correct height and IAS, i have a high hit qoute in the H111,
seems to be reserved, like a few things in the game maybe it would be explain, why the bombs explodes backwards, aswell...

but i still prefer the mighty Ju88 and dive bomb, h111 i use for afk flights :p

What altitude are you dropping from? At 1000m I can see this working, but at 3000m I don't think it would.

[Heinz Laube]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Keller

What altitude are you dropping from? At 1000m I can see this working, but at 3000m I don't think it would.

just tested it from 2500m... 320 IAS, same result... 8 *250kg ..40m distance...

correct trim. target cross not moves, last bomb hit the cross and bombs explodes backwards

edit: same result from 4000m

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Well, i don't want to bring you down mate but i think all the main RAF bombers, at least until quite late in the war, used devices similar to the one fitted to the Blenheim.

Meaning, the only thing that will probably change if we get a Wellington is the available payload and maybe a more stable (and more sluggish) platform

That's a shame. Mind you, we're getting some good results in the Blenheim now, albeit mostly with dive attacks.

[Heinz Laube]

i think it all happend, coz the missing part on the lotfe in game is to correct the "trail angle" (bomb trajectory) in german "Rücktriftwinkel"
that a important input for the Lotfe, a

example: the german L.Dv.8/1 says: The SC 250 will be hit the targetarea 292m too short, if u drop from 4000m and 300kmh IAS... without calculate the angle.. would be make a sense in the game...

correct way in the game....Height in Meters, IAS to TAS , then move the target cross around 250m behind the target, to compensate the missing angle...

[nadasero]

Hi,

This is a link into the book online:
Der-Bombenwurf-Teil-1-Grundbegriffe-des-Bombenwurfs

On Page 17 is a drawing, introducing the parameter "Rücktriftwinkel". This is the additional displacement to the back caused by air resistance. On the bomb sight of the He-111 is a dial for the Rückdriftwinkel but it is not functional in the simulation. On page 21 is a table and a graph to get the Rückdriftwinkel depending on altitude and speed. The values are different for horizontal or vertical mount of the bombs (see page 19).

It looks to me as if the Rückdriftwinkel is not simulated. To get this fixed would need one additional parameter simulated on the dial and in the lotfe plus a graph or table with the values available at the bomb sight.