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[TomcatViP]

12lb 12lb 12lb... Damn get this out of your mind. Looks like an illness with so much reference.

There is no 12lb until very late in 1940 if ever. The 9lb MkXII shld suffice as an evidence.

Regarding the cruise, Rob I think you are cruising too fast.

At 0 (zero) boost I hve got around 200mph as cruise speed btw 15kft to 20kft and a very cooled engine that let me fight with half rad for nearly all the time full pow is needed in a dogfight.

Usually the 12hour needles is a good ref for WWII fighters both in boost and rpm. But I use 2400 rpm in general

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

12lb 12lb 12lb... Damn get this out of your mind. Looks like an illness with so much reference.

There is no 12lb until very late in 1940 if ever. The 9lb MkXII shld suffice as an evidence.

You're wrong I am afraid. The early Merlins are well documented and no matter how you look at it, the 12lbs Boost is reality of BoB era. Is there any evidence stating otherwise?

9lbs. Merlin XII was due to improvements over Merlin III + different glykol - hence the +9PSI rating. They both could go 12lbs btw.

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Regarding the cruise, Rob I think you are cruising too fast.

Matter of opinion or preference I guess, I only mentioned cruise as reference and I state 'as appropriate'. I like higher boosts and moderate RPM - that's 'crusing' in a combat zone called ATAG mind you

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Robo.

You're wrong I am afraid. The early Merlins are well documented and no matter how you look at it, the 12lbs Boost is reality of BoB era. Is there any evidence stating otherwise?

9lbs. Merlin XII was due to improvements over Merlin III + different glykol - hence the +9PSI rating. They both could go 12lbs btw.



Matter of opinion or preference I guess, I only mentioned cruise as reference and I state 'as appropriate'. I like higher boosts and moderate RPM - that's 'crusing' in a combat zone called ATAG mind you

Disagree with you Rob, sry.

I still hve not seen any strong EVIDENCE for the much publicized 100oct and 12lb.
The fact that those guys are pushing the SPit frwrd on that case is also dubious when you think of the Hurri "Big Wings" lobbying that was predominant in the 1940 RAF (just re-read Badder). It does not makes sense to tune up your best competing fighter when you hve 2/3 of your fighter force that struggle everyday and bombers that hve difficulties taking of with war wary equipment field-fitted.

Frankly it looks like more of a Gamer Fantasy.

Regarding the cruise, don't forget that the best manoeuvring speed of teh Hurri is also ard 200mph and not 240

Regarding the boost value for the Spit as it was unvailed breaking the code, just don't forget that the in-game spit hve nearly no drag. Giving her a boost similar to the hurri could hve made her even hair raising than she is for now

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Disagree with you Rob, sry.

I still hve not seen any strong EVIDENCE for the much publicized 100oct and 12lb.

No problem, I respect your opinion. There is lots of evidence, both technical (see the above book for example, very comprehensive) and historical (pilot memoirs even from BoF era). I am blue pilot mind you.

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Regarding the cruise, don't forget that the best manoeuvring speed of teh Hurri is also ard 200mph and not 240

I can still slow down when I want.. but I cruise to kill (BnZ mostly that is).

[Osprey]

Robo, I'm not sure how familiar you are with Blackadder II, if you aren't then I recommend a download. This is the 12lbs argument in a nutshell.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NMOllP3eN4

@klem, for 2600 & 6.25lbs, you can go forever like that without overheat with an open rad for as long as you like from my experience.

[TomcatViP]

If you are trying to make a conclusive end with some typical British humor, now I understand why you can't share an agreements with many here !

Sry typical French irony

[Osprey]

You mean you don't get it?

[Blakduk]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Robo, I'm not sure how familiar you are with Blackadder II, if you aren't then I recommend a download. This is the 12lbs argument in a nutshell.....

@klem, for 2600 & 6.25lbs, you can go forever like that without overheat with an open rad for as long as you like from my experience.

Osprey- You've outdone me sunshine!
I quoted the dialogue in that scene in another thread about this same topic- you've managed to imbed a link to the actual footage. I tip my hat

[bw_wolverine]

I was on ATAG around 1:30am est on tonight (this morning) and I could have SWORN I saw a clip wing spitfire take off from Hawkinge and fly about. Seriously! Clipped wings! What the hell?

I have previously not taken much stock in all the clammoring about cheats and hacks etc. This is the first time I've actually seriously considered the possibility that people are really doing this stuff rather than people just thinking that they are.

Has anyone else seen this!?

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

I still hve not seen any strong EVIDENCE for the much publicized 100oct and 12lb.

Frankly it looks like more of a Gamer Fantasy.

If you had made even the most cursory effort to do so, maybe you would have. Even just in the combat reports from Mike Williams' site (www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org) you can see evidence for use of the +12lb boost in squadrons operating from the following locations:

RAF North Weald (11 Group) in February
RAF Drem (13 Group) in February
RAF Rochford (11 Group) in March
RAF Digby (12 Group) in March
RAF Hawkinge (11 Group) in May
RAF Hornchurch (11 Group) in May
RAF Tangmere (11 Group) in May
RAF Duxford (12 Group) in May
RAF Gravesend (11 Group) in June
RAF Catterick (12 Group) in June
RAF Biggin Hill (11 Group) in July
RAF Kenley (11 Group) in August
RAF Northolt (11 Group) in August
RAF Westhampnett (11 Group) in August
RAF Middle Wallop (10 Group) in August
RAF Leconfield (12 Group) in August
RAF Croydon (11 Group) in September
RAF Warmwell (10 Group) in September

If you have reservations about Mike Williams' site, you can confirm this at www.oldrafrecords.com, where there are even more. It only took me around 30 minutes to compile that list a few months ago, and I didn't even bother to go through that many on the Old RAF Records site. It's a bit silly how people just denounce these things without making even a token effort to look.