Top speed Bf109G6 late vs La5FN @7000m

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

... see what you get, plus the 109g6 is the dog of the 109's.

oh yeah ... the G6 truly sux badly, a horrible plane.

On the other hand the G6as is one of my favorite LW aircraft to fly. A much fairer match is LA5FN vs G6as.

Originally Posted by schnorchel

different AC has different tendecy performance change if map changes from Crimea? if not, it still can tell sth even if the map is not crimea.
BTW I am talking about TAS for sure.

Crimea will give the closest results to IL2 compare charts. Also if you specify the map it allows other people to repeat your test for themselves and compare results.

[schnorchel]

I do not like the variants from Bf109G6 onward at all. G6 is dog for sure. but I still feel she is more agile than G6AS.

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by schnorchel

.. but I still feel she is more agile than G6AS.

The G6AS is a lighter aircraft AFAIR, and definitely more agile than than all G6s and later 109s.
If I remember correctly it's turning circle time is about 2 seconds less than the other 109s.

I specifically choose this aircraft online when up against Spits, Yak3s and LA5s.
Has less hitting power, requires sniping, but gives the 'allies' a real headache.. at least you get home

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by K_Freddie

The G6AS is a lighter aircraft AFAIR, and definitely more agile than than all G6s and later 109s.
If I remember correctly it's turning circle time is about 2 seconds less than the other 109s.

I specifically choose this aircraft online when up against Spits, Yak3s and LA5s.
Has less hitting power, requires sniping, but gives the 'allies' a real headache.. at least you get home

Not sure about more agile, however it does have MW50 and that extra power should let you sustain a higher rate of turn all else being equal.

At higher altitudes the G6as has performance approaching a K14 but turns like a G6. Its just a nice plane to fly.

[schnorchel]

Ok guys, as your suggestion, I did a comparsoin with L5F.
but G6 still can not fly away from it @7000m, L5f has 10km/h adavantage.
I doubt same thing would happen on climbrate comparsoin.
only 150kg and 2 bubbles can make such big difference?

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by schnorchel

Ok guys, as your suggestion, I did a comparsoin with L5F.
but G6 still can not fly away from it @7000m, L5f has 10km/h adavantage.
I doubt same thing would happen on climbrate comparsoin.

Disagree.

Just did some tests cause i didn't believe it.

100% fuel, rads closed, Smolensk, La5f and Bf109G6 late, Stock 4.10.1. Speeds attained by getting to altitude and then accelerated up to top speed and holding for a min.

Here's the il2 compare data,



Bf109G6 late,



La5f



Both within a few of the il2 data, probably cause i used smolensk rather than crimea, but there still relative to each other.

only 150kg and 2 bubbles can make such big difference?

Probably, even things like a bullrt proof windscreen shave of 3-4 mph, 150 kg's is 2 light adults.....

[schnorchel]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Disagree.

Just did some tests cause i didn't believe it.

100% fuel, rads closed, Smolensk, La5f and Bf109G6 late, Stock 4.10.1. Speeds attained by getting to altitude and then accelerated up to top speed and holding for a min.

Here's the il2 compare data,



Bf109G6 late,



La5f



Both within a few of the il2 data, probably cause i used smolensk rather than crimea, but there still relative to each other.



Probably, even things like a bullrt proof windscreen shave of 3-4 mph, 150 kg's is 2 light adults.....

fruitbat,
you get similar result as mine. but what I said is the max speed that both plane can get without engine overheat.
I would like to say such Max speed is more useful in the combat. for sure G6 can get the top speed about 630km/h in few mintes. but after that she needs rad opena and throttle back. only 603 km/h she can get without overheat. but L5f can get 613-614km/h and never overheat with 110% throttle and Rad closed. such huge advantage cannot be ignored.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Both within a few of the il2 data, probably cause i used smolensk rather than crimea, but there still relative to each other

I should point out that all the IL-2Compare data in the IL-2Compare for HSFX 5.0 was done on the 'Flight Test Map' which is set to standard atmosphere conditions (unlike the Crimea and Smolensk maps). This was done so direct comparison can be made to real world data, which is in standard atmosphere format unless otherwise specified

Also note I have an online version of IL-2Compare with the 4.10.1 stock and HSFX 5.0 data, i.e.

IL-2Compare ONLINE

You can do more with the online version, like select fuel loads, metric or imperial units, etc.. And it also includes more graphs than the orginal version of IL2Compare

As soon as the next version of HSFX comes out I will update the data to 4.11

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by schnorchel

only 150kg and 2 bubbles can make such big difference?

If you can add upwards of 3-5mph to the top speed of an aircraft just by polishing the leading edges and other aerodynamic surfaces (see RAF V-1 chasers), then... 150 kg and the gun bulges on a 109G-6 are more than likely to cause some significant differences.

In both real life and in-game, the 109G-6 is considered by many to be the worst of the 109 series. It seems like there were a few too many concessions to make it capable in the heavy bomber interceptor role. The later models have tradeoffs for the higher performance but they at least have some more significant advantages.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by IceFire

If you can add upwards of 3-5mph to the top speed of an aircraft just by polishing the leading edges and other aerodynamic surfaces (see RAF V-1 chasers), then... 150 kg and the gun bulges on a 109G-6 are more than likely to cause some significant differences.

Even removing roundels made a difference on Spitfires.

Note the 150kg figure I quoted was just what I vaguely remembered reading some time ago. It might have been 50kg or 200kg. The G6 was definitely significantly heavier than the G2 but someone would need to look up wartime documentation to confirm the actual weight difference.

Its also important to remember the extra weight was in nose guns canopy and instruments so most of it was forward.