Hurricane Rotol mixture controls?

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by l3uLLDoZeR

The real question is: Does the mixture actually do anything in this game?

Yes it is doing something, but not what it is supposed to do.

[klem]

Normal flight is Mixture at Auto-Rich with the lever in the back position. Forward is Auto-Weak (ref: Pilots Notes) and only serves to assist high altitude low fuel consumption cruising, it isn't use for anything else and doesn't need to be used at all if you don't want to.

The little Graphic simply shows you the position of your HOTAS lever or other axis that you are using for Mixture. That interpretation of 'percentage' is only the amount you have moved your HOTAS lever, i.e. fully maxed = 100%, fully min = 0% and in the Hurricane fully min = cockpit lever fully back = RICH which is correct. (Note! as someone pointed out the Spitfire mixture and the lever graphic is working the wrong way round).

Some guys insist on calling out percentages for things like Mixture graphic, Throttle graphic etc. Its an old IL-2 habit. They would be better calling Rich/Lean and Boost or RPM readings according to the gauges, it is less confusing.

[Bokononist]

Originally Posted by klem

Normal flight is Mixture at Auto-Rich with the lever in the back position. Forward is Auto-Weak (ref: Pilots Notes) and only serves to assist high altitude low fuel consumption cruising, it isn't use for anything else and doesn't need to be used at all if you don't want to.

The little Graphic simply shows you the position of your HOTAS lever or other axis that you are using for Mixture. That interpretation of 'percentage' is only the amount you have moved your HOTAS lever, i.e. fully maxed = 100%, fully min = 0% and in the Hurricane fully min = cockpit lever fully back = RICH which is correct. (Note! as someone pointed out the Spitfire mixture and the lever graphic is working the wrong way round).

Some guys insist on calling out percentages for things like Mixture graphic, Throttle graphic etc. Its an old IL-2 habit. They would be better calling Rich/Lean and Boost or RPM readings according to the gauges, it is less confusing.

I'm with you there Klem, it's especially confusing for people like me who didn't play the old IL2. On saying that I don't know how to describe the prop pitch when flying red though, other than fine and coarse.

[JG53Frankyboy]

well, than it should be the same in ALL planes !
3D cockpit lever movement = controler axis/lever movement (poor chaps who dont use these to cotnrol........)

Means also, controler axis/lever full forward in a FIAT means 3D cockpit lever full forward = zero Throttle !

for me this is totaly stupid in a game "we" use HOTAS controlers !
We should control our controlers, not directly the 3D cockpitlevers in their direction of movement.
BUT, the most important is still, it should be the same logic in ALL planes.

In the moment it is not.

and this 100% and 0% is a simplification what one is meaning , these % are shown if you set your "lever input info window" to a digital reading instead of the bars.

[l3uLLDoZeR]

Originally Posted by klem

Normal flight is Mixture at Auto-Rich with the lever in the back position. Forward is Auto-Weak (ref: Pilots Notes) and only serves to assist high altitude low fuel consumption cruising, it isn't use for anything else and doesn't need to be used at all if you don't want to.

Right on, this was helpful. I was thinking you could fin tune the mixture to whatever percent you wanted..I didn't realize it was auto-rich or auto-lean!

In the real world setting the mixture even at 7,000 ft makes a huge difference in fuel burn, but if I go too lean the engine will run rough and really hot. I also can see my exhaust temps to help set my mix.


Oh and I'm glad you got a chance to jump in with some smack talk Tomcat, I would be lost without you!

[Dano]

But... if full rich = auto rich then why do I see yellow exhaust flames? I was under the impression that I should not see any yellow when my mixture is set correctly and thus the auto feature does not work correctly or is that realistic?

[klem]

The word "auto" relates to the engines ability to maintain the correct Rich mixture with changing altitude. However in CoD I do seem to be able to Lean the mixture off until the flame changes from Yellow to Blue, usually around 25-30% travel so either its modelling adjustable rich/lean level between the extremes or I'm simply hitting a crossover point.

I haven't found anything in the Pilots Notes that talks about gradual adjustment of Mixture, just fully back (Rich) or fully forward (Lean)

[Moggy]

Originally Posted by klem

The word "auto" relates to the engines ability to maintain the correct Rich mixture with changing altitude. However in CoD I do seem to be able to Lean the mixture off until the flame changes from Yellow to Blue, usually around 25-30% travel so either its modelling adjustable rich/lean level between the extremes or I'm simply hitting a crossover point.

I haven't found anything in the Pilots Notes that talks about gradual adjustment of Mixture, just fully back (Rich) or fully forward (Lean)

In the ferry pilots notes it states;

Mixture. Mixture is either Automatic Rich or Automatic Weak. The lever friction is adjusted by a knob concentric with the throttle friction control.
The throttle and mixture controls are interconnected and in some cases it will not be possible to bring the throttle back below +2 boost without moving the mixture control. In these aircraft no harm will result by moving the mixture lever back with the throttle until zero boost is obtained.
In some of the latest aircraft mixture control is fully automatic and there is either no lever or if one is fitted it is wired in WEAK.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by klem

Some guys insist on calling out percentages for things like Mixture graphic, Throttle graphic etc. Its an old IL-2 habit. They would be better calling Rich/Lean and Boost or RPM readings according to the gauges, it is less confusing.

+1

We now have the means to fly the plane realistically. I've dispensed with the cockpit icons on my screen for that reason. I use throttle to set boost, CSP lever to set rpm's -- which I believe the BoB RAF pilots did in 1940. When receiving instructions from an online flight leader to adjust controls in terms of percentages, I can only request "Repeat, please!"

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

well, than it should be the same in ALL planes !
3D cockpit lever movement = controler axis/lever movement (poor chaps who dont use these to cotnrol........)

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for me this is totaly stupid in a game "we" use HOTAS controlers !
We should control our controlers, not directly the 3D cockpitlevers in their direction of movement.
BUT, the most important is still, it should be the same logic in ALL planes.

In the moment it is not.

and this 100% and 0% is a simplification what one is meaning , these % are shown if you set your "lever input info window" to a digital reading instead of the bars.

The most stupid thing I've read lately. I guess you lost all your inspiration that night - happens to all of us

What you wrote will leads us back to Sony hands ctrller with circle, star and square buttons as flight ctrls