The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[Juri_JS]

Could somebody tell me which ww2 aircraft that we don't have in the stock game are affected by the Grumman issue?

[dFrog]

the most important :
F4U Corsair later versions
F8F Bearcat
P-61 Black Widow (and F-15 Reporter)
SB2U Vindicator
TBF Avenger (flyable)

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by dFrog

the most important :
F4U Corsair later versions
F8F Bearcat
P-61 Black Widow (and F-15 Reporter)
SB2U Vindicator
TBF Avenger (flyable)

F7F Tigercat
Birdcage F4U Corsair
B-29 Superfortress (flyable)

[koivis]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

B-29 Superfortress (flyable)

All the aircraft listed are affected (Vought is owned by Northrop-Grumman today), except the B-29. It was a Boeing product, and has nothing to do with NG at all.

Also, Westinghouse Electric (jet engines, radars etc.) is now part of NG.

These companies are not affected either:
-Douglas (and McDonnell & later McDonnell-Douglas) is part of the current Boeing company.
-Same for North American Aircraft, now part of Boeing.
-Republic aircraft is long gone. First it was bought by Fairchild, afterwards it's been know variously as Fairchild-Dornier, M7 Aerospace and is now part of Israeli owned Elbit Systems (!)
-Everything which is now part of Lockheed Martin (Lockheed and Martin atleast, )
-Curtiss-Wright is existence today also as its own.
-Consolidated, Vultee (and later after these two merged, Convair) belong to General Dynamics corp.

Seems that the European companies are a bit more gentle. Imagine if BAE Systems (pretty much every British company) or EADS did the same as NG did.

[Juri_JS]

Thanks for the clarification guys. Even without the aircraft affected by the Grumman issue there are more than enough other types that can be modelled. In my opinion the most important new US aircraft for the Pacific would be the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver. I never understood why it was omitted when Pacific Fighters was released.

[Xilon_x]

F7F Tigercat
Birdcage F4U Corsair
B-29 Superfortress (flyable)

and this? you ot remember this?

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by koivis

All the aircraft listed are affected (Vought is owned by Northrop-Grumman today), except the B-29. It was a Boeing product, and has nothing to do with NG at all.

There have been ongoing rumors in the trade of a potential Boeing/NG merger and speculation as to whether such a merger would be blocked in the US courts.


However that is beside the point. At the time of the original NG copyright farce the development of ALL unfinished American planes and ships was stopped, presumably due to legal advise about the risk that other US aircraft manufacturers may follow the NG precedent.

For a period of several years after the ludicrous NG claim it looked like any new IL2 addons would only be officially available outside the US as well.

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

There have been ongoing rumors in the trade of a potential Boeing/NG merger and speculation as to whether such a merger would be blocked in the US courts.


However that is beside the point. At the time of the original NG copyright farce the development of ALL unfinished American planes and ships was stopped, presumably due to legal advise about the risk that other US aircraft manufacturers may follow the NG precedent.

For a period of several years after the ludicrous NG claim it looked like any new IL2 addons would only be officially available outside the US as well.

So...there might be some light at the end of the tunnel?!?!

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

So...there might be some light at the end of the tunnel?!?!

Nah, it's the headlight of a train.

If Boeing merges with NG, it could be Boeing planes become no-go too.