Luthier Update Clarification Please

[Trooper117]

Despite the negatives, they will buy it.. there is nothing else in the WWII stable that is waiting to take their fancy, they will be back.. lol!
Next theatre, North Africa/Med.. be sure! (had to say it)..

[Feathered_IV]

I doubt they will ever be able to represent an event such as Adler Tag or any other significantly sized battle with this sim. Certainly not until its into its old age at any rate. It will remain an aerial skirmisher. Best left to represent those slow days of the battle which had bad weather or the odd channel convoy (assuming we see some weather and ships one day). The cpu bottlenecking might not be such a problem for an eastern front scenario with only dozens, rather than hundereds of aircraft being needed to give a credible or historic number of aircraft in the air a one time.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

I doubt they will ever be able to represent an event such as Adler Tag or any other significantly sized battle with this sim. Certainly not until its into its old age at any rate. It will remain an aerial skirmisher. Best left to represent those slow days of the battle which had bad weather or the odd channel convoy (assuming we see some weather and ships one day). The cpu bottlenecking might not be such a problem for an eastern front scenario with only dozens, rather than hundereds of aircraft being needed to give a credible or historic number of aircraft in the air a one time.

I get the feeling that you have grossly under estimated the engine I have seen bids of CID with loads if aircraft flying at the same time.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

Why is that such a big problem? As has been said many times - it was possibly a choice of releasing CloD as was or never seeing it let alone any sequel. No doubt the plan is to get CloD properly sorted as quickly as possible to the developers and players satisfaction and once the engine is fully working, as I am sure it will be then other theatres can be released as per the original IL-2 series. This makes perfect sense if you really want CloD to carry on in the MG tradition which in turn is dependent on financial success.

If you want to call the sim a test bed and players guinea pigs then fine. The Battle of Britain is a perfect scenario for this. It was relatively short, contained in a small area and had a limited plane set. Apart from us Brits who see it as a major conflict up there with Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo, the rest of the world see it as a rather minor side show. Once it is fully working and has good reviews then the important theatres will be grabbed by serious and not so serious simmers everywhere.

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

Hi flyingblind. It's a 'problem' if you are sold a product purporting to be (amongst many other things) a simulation of said battle which is in reality nothing of the sort. It is in essence a (faulty) tech demo, and not unlike FSX with guns. Maybe a slight exaggeration for effect, but not too far from the truth. As a sim 'BoB experience' (which is what we were sold) it falls very short of the mark. If you are happy with that, then I'm happy for you.

On the 'importance' or otherwise of the BoB, that's a matter for another thread and debate, and has been done to death already. Nationalism does not enter the equation.

'Once it is fully working'

I'm a day dream believer too. Won't be holding my breath anymore though; asphyxiation can never be good. Just ask Michael Hutchence. With a Ouija board, perhaps.

I can agree on some points, namely that we all want CoD to come good......we have that in common. The BoB is not my 'favourite' conflict or theatre, that would be North Africa and the Med.

I have no desire to argue with you FB, and I won't. That is my opinion. You have yours. All well and good.

Cheers.

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame. Tossing this into the 'that'll do' bin would be a mistake on their part. Please prove me wrong. Surely all new developments/features in 'Battle for Moscow' will be applicable to CoD, too? Madness to think otherwise, but these days I sadly find myself second guessing everything they do.

Wont spend $1 on another one of their games unless COD is fixed to the highest level it can be through patches and we get the game we payed for. I am not willing to pay them for the game and hope the community fixes it, thats some bs.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

Wont spend $1 on another one of their games unless COD is fixed to the highest level it can be through patches and we get the game we payed for. I am not willing to pay them for the game and hope the community fixes it, thats some bs.

You guys missed the point...

We have a great air combat flight sim engine, with good content. We have a highly flexible FMB...

"Community fixes it"? YOU can do a lot of missions in FMB! YOU can do ASAP a lot of things with this sim engine!

I'm amazed how people still not seeing this... "Pay them for the game"... Yes, we payed and we received this great sim.

I fly modded IL-2 1946 almost in MP and modded arenas. CloD engine to me is a dream!

[robtek]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

You guys missed the point...

We have a great air combat flight sim engine, with good content. We have a highly flexible FMB...

"Community fixes it"? YOU can do a lot of missions in FMB! YOU can do ASAP a lot of things with this sim engine!

I'm amazed how people still not seeing this... "Pay them for the game"... Yes, we payed and we received this great sim.

I fly modded IL-2 1946 almost in MP and modded arenas. CloD engine to me is a dream!

LoBiSoMeM,

with this pov i really don't understand why you don't side with AoA.

I fail to see, why you think you have to oppose him, is it personal?

It seems this slug-fest has only escalated about some really minor differences.

[furbs]

Yep, and nothing to do with the OP's question. Which as we all know will not get answered.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by robtek

LoBiSoMeM,

with this pov i really don't understand why you don't side with AoA.

I fail to see, why you think you have to oppose him, is it personal?

It seems this slug-fest has only escalated about some really minor differences.

You don't understand...

I love this sim, i'm follow it's development as any other IL-2 series fanboy.

But DirectX11 support was advertised, we are fooled with the "we don't have AA in this screenshot because it's an old PC" and other things, and we received a BROKEN and INCOMPLETE software in release.

I can't just forget that. I'm just saying that.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Sven

I think it's good that they are also working on a squeal, if it is like the previous sequels/stand-alones the old maps and airplanes will be available as well in the new product and so the BoB will continue to improve graphically, FM and AI wise ect.

+ 1

That's the way they have worked before and no signs of any change in that.

The problem is that if even the die hard fans that populate this forum (?) threaten to not buy a sequel if feature x is not there I loose all hope. This is the only WW2 sim available from this decade and the only alternative would be a RoF WW2 release? But I can just imagine a furball with 500+ aircraft over London in RoF. Talk about squermish engine over the flat and empty fields of Flanders with some small towns...

Mazex