The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

what does it have to do with this? And why don't you bless us with your supreme view on that matter in that thread?


so? Is being an Italian a bad thing now? You sir fit perfectly in the category of the "worst that England can offer".


..yep, talking stereotypes, as I said, the worst England.



Ah, another keyboard hero! It goes without saying that talking about adult, mature matters can't be done with little people of your stance, but if I really had to, I can assure you that I would know how to defend myself from someone who can't take a normal conversation and turn to physical aggression to make his point valid. But then again, you would never do it yourself, would you?



probably because you find amusement in forum wars. I, on the contrary, do believe in the respect of forum rules.

Alessandro Bonny lad (yep the infamous 'Stern' and 'respecter of forum rules' from the Ubi Zoo who has been banned more times that I can remember....wonder why) I am anything but 'little' but FYI have threatened no one. Just making the point that 'key board warriors' (nice self awareness there) who are unconscionably rude on the internet are rarely so IRL, and I'm sure you are very nice to your English colleagues and those who pay your wages. I found the irony of an Italian waxing lyrical about how 'buggered' my country is amusing. Because it is.

I have however never met an Italian I did not like (usually decent folk), till you. You are obnoxious, arrogant, ill mannered and not particularly bright. PM me if you'd like to discuss things further. Otherwise on with your pathetic UK hate crusade. I LOL in your general direction. Cin cin!

Mark.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

And you do not think that this stance is extrmely narrow and not doing any kind of justice towards both the EU and muslims in general? IMHO that threat perception is totally blown out of proportion. But that would be worth a thread on it its own

Being careful and on the watch is one thing, seeing dangers and threats around every corner is another one.

Provocative questions:

Could it be possible that the UK got burned so much in WW2 that it got its spyche damaged, like a person that got mugged always being afraid of the dark afterwards?

Why does that not apply to countries that suffered much more in WW2, like Poland, Russia or the Benelux countries?

Why is it that the UK had quite good relations with Germany until reunification, then afterwards starting one tabloid campaign after the other?

Those are honest question because quite franky, that is how some UK behaviours come over here.

Well I was clear about Islamic fundamentalism and not Islam as a whole...or do you put them in the same category?

The EU in a romantic aspect is what could have been if Germany unified europe without all the ethnic cleansing stuff etc......it could have been good, I wonder why it is so difficult to get the world to unify...it's almost like we all like who we are and dont like change.......not just the British.

Well I can't comment on why some tabloids behave like they do or indeed some of my fellow countrymen, but labelling us all because of this is no better than the stuff you accuse us of no? I like Germans, always had respect for them, and admire their technical ability, and to be honest whats the point in celebrating a military victory over an adversary you consider inferior....surely that would just be hollow, no we were faced with a far superior opponent and that gives a little bit of satisfaction to an underdog.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Sorry but that is not what constitutes uneccessary, you see here again you are just downplaying the significance by using the German perspective here, clear example of your bias here, you are obviously enamoured with a strange romanticism about the Germans, facct is they 'did' come to fight and the British found it necessary to stop them, that has nothing to do with British nationalistic views.

I dunno how to explain this point anymore

Semantics again, an attempt at downplaying the significance through some 'dictionary' deffinition, the US won their war of independence(with help from the French)....were the British anhilated?

the British dominion over the US mainland was annihilated, the US started a new independent reality, that sounds like a win to me. At the blurry end of the Battle of Britain, apart for reputations and morale, nothing else changed.

Oh but it does, it's a personal event for both parties, the defender won his objective (survival and escape) the attacker lost his objective (killing the victim) the battle ends there, the war between these two hasn't, you are just not making sense here mate.

you (badly) repelled a bombing attack that was carried on for several months, their command was tired to wait any longer on Goering's fail, they moved onto something else, end of story.

You gained some heroes to celebrate, both countries learned LOADS in terms of experience, soon the Germans forgot about it thanks to the early successes of Barbarossa. It was just a phase of a more complicated war, not a battle per se.

Ther you go with that anhillation stuff again.....why?

because in a total war the success is obtained only by complete annihilation of the adversary's offensive potential, subduing it to an unconditioned surrender.

this topic started on the subject of the BOB, I thought it was etiquette to keep threads 'on topic' so the wider picture of the war has no relevance in this thread, that is not a denial of it's significance....just forum etiquette.

Conflict..battle...skirmish....WTF? give it whatever label you want, it happened, it was a fight, we won our objective....that is plain fact, that is all we celebrate about it, nobody suggests it was a total defeat of the wider German military...it was simply a fight the British won and it's wider significance became apparent later....yay lucky for us.....we survived that one and it all turned out pretty f***ing good in the end....lets celebrate it for it contribution for a better world wiithout the Nazis.......is that such a big deal?

I tried to, and it was my original point, but then all kind of $hit started flying in every direction..
Uh and let's not forget this: the western civilised world is grateful to the Allies for the efforts they made to liberate us from the Nazi scum.

[bongodriver]

I dunno how to explain this point anymore

Yeah you got nothing left.....fail

the British dominion over the US mainland was annihilated, the US started a new independent reality, that sounds like a win to me. At the blurry end of the Battle of Britain, apart for reputations and morale, nothing else changed.

But the British military was not anhilated, and we could have chosen to fight back, we just gave up, not worth the effort with all othe commitments (just like the Germans), yeah funny how this argument suits you here.

you (badly) repelled a bombing attack that was carried on for several months, their command was tired to wait any longer on Goering's fail, they moved onto something else, end of story.

You gained some heroes to celebrate, both countries learned LOADS in terms of experience, soon the Germans forgot about it thanks to the early successes of Barbarossa. It was just a phase of a more complicated war, not a battle per se.

Ah so we fought badly now, what happened to the description of exemplary regarding our effort in an earlier post (yeah take a look, you really did say it), sniff...sniff....I smell hypocricy and contradiction again.

because in a total war the success is obtained only by complete annihilation of the adversary's offensive potential, subduing it to an unconditioned surrender.

That is a condition required to win a war....not a battle....loike the 'battle of britain' which was a 'win' for the Brits......grab that thesaurus....win and victory are practically the same thing non?

I tried to, and it was my original point, but then all kind of $hit started flying in every direction..
Uh and let's not forget this: the western civilised world is grateful to the Allies for the efforts they made to liberate us from the Nazi scum.

That s**t flew as soon as people started rubbishing any part the British played in the allied effort, like we just arent worthy of being associated with it....no for most of the Germanophiles her Allies = the US strictly

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Alessandro Bonny lad (yep the infamous 'Stern' and 'respecter of forum rules' from the Ubi Zoo who has been banned more times that I can remember....wonder why)

Who's Alessandro Bonny? I'm afraid you're confusing me with someone else? NEVER been on the Ubi Zoo either?

I am anything but 'little' but FYI have threatened no one. Just making the point that 'key board warriors' (nice self awareness there) who are unconscionably rude on the internet are rarely so IRL, and I'm sure you are very nice to your English colleagues and those who pay your wages. I found the irony of an Italian waxing lyrical about how 'buggered' my country is amusing. Because it is.

I don't understand why you're turning this thing into a personal beef with me, I don't know who you are, what I know is that you sound like a bit of a nut-job man

And btw your message, albeit hypothetical in its form, is a form of threatening. You might want to re-read what you wrote?

I am a citizen of the world for the matter, I have lived in the US and several European countries before because of my job, and frankly I don't see why the fact that I have Italian origins adds something different to the value of my opinion. If I complain, I complain as a citizen and taxpayer, not as an Italian. I'm afraid that yours comes out a bit like mere racial slur (for which you've already been reported btw).

I have however never met an Italian I did not like (usually decent folk), till you. You are obnoxious, arrogant, ill mannered and not particularly bright. PM me if you'd like to discuss things further. Otherwise on with your pathetic UK hate crusade. I LOL in your general direction. Cin cin!

Mark.

Well good for you sir..

[Sternjaeger II]

Bongo, frankly I'm not here to win an argument, I have my ideas and they will hardly change unless I'm proven wrong by fact that I repute relevant.

Besides, seeing the latest contribution of this RCAF Orville or whatever his name is, I wonder why I even bother..

double standards are FTW here lately..

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Bongo, frankly I'm not here to win an argument,
Besides, seeing the latest contribution of this RCAF Orville or whatever his name is, I wonder why I even bother..

double standards are FTW here lately..

Really?....so youre just here for the argument, I saw at least 2 posts where you promised no further contribution yet you are still here displaying massive double standards.....

I have my ideas and they will hardly change unless I'm proven wrong by fact that I repute relevant.

Had to quote this bit again....it's just so immaculate in its hipocricy

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

My take on Bungay is because in the world of academia he isn't (yet) considered worth mentioning, and even if my ideas seem to agree more with him than with James Holland (but then again it was semantics, Dutch or whoever it was picked strategically short sentences and put them out of context), I still don't repute his approach an academic one.

This seems to confirm what I've suspected for a while, i.e. you don't appear to have read Bungay's book.

Consequently your opinions of Bungay's book are not your own and are based on the opinions of others.

Regurgitation of hearsay is no different whatsoever to propaganda in this context and also demostrates a good deal of bias.

Given the above quote, I'm also beginning to wonder whether you've read James Holland's book also, which you advocated as being 'the definitive book'. More hearsay?

Your 'historical references' so far in this thread seem to come from either Wikipedia or a bonus DVD. Surprising from one who considers himself a member of the historical acadaemia.

I'd be happy to stand corrected of course.

Sorry folks, this is a bit out of context from the way the thread has progressed.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Who's Alessandro Bonny? I'm afraid you're confusing me with someone else? NEVER been on the Ubi Zoo either?


I don't understand why you're turning this thing into a personal beef with me, I don't know who you are, what I know is that you sound like a bit of a nut-job man

And btw your message, albeit hypothetical in its form, is a form of threatening. You might want to re-read what you wrote?

I am a citizen of the world for the matter, I have lived in the US and several European countries before because of my job, and frankly I don't see why the fact that I have Italian origins adds something different to the value of my opinion. If I complain, I complain as a citizen and taxpayer, not as an Italian. I'm afraid that yours comes out a bit like mere racial slur (for which you've already been reported btw).



Well good for you sir..

*sigh*. You can add 'grass' and 'fibber' to that list too. I'm afraid it is you yourself that is the grade A head case, just look at the amount of time you have devoted to knocking the UK. Obvious issues. If you hate it here that much then 'do one' simple as that.

I don't need to re read what I wrote. It's a statement of fact, not related to me, and yes indeed hypothetical.

Nothing to do with you being Italian, no 'slurs' whatsoever (unlike your well documented, persistent insults about the British and their ubiquitous 'character' which you find so disagreeable) so stop the violin playing and 'victim' act, its pathetic. Point being is that people in glass houses should not throw stones. Its because of the reasons I outlined above.

Anyway, carry on Alessandro (oh and stop lying). Out of here, you're blinking bonkers mate. Toodle pip.

Cheers.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

*sigh*. You can add 'grass' and 'fibber' to that list too. I'm afraid it is you yourself that is the grade A head case, just look at the amount of time you have devoted to knocking the UK. Obvious issues. If you hate it here that much then 'do one' simple as that.

I don't need to re read what I wrote. It's a statement of fact, not related to me, and yes indeed hypothetical.

Nothing to do with you being Italian, no 'slurs' whatsoever (unlike your well documented, persistent insults about the British and their ubiquitous 'character' which you find so disagreeable) so stop the violin playing and 'victim' act, its pathetic. Point being is that people in glass houses should not throw stones. Its because of the reasons I outlined above.

Anyway, carry on Alessandro (oh and stop lying). Out of here, you're blinking bonkers mate. Toodle pip.

Cheers.

Eh? I am not knocking the UK, I'm trying to make a point that differs from your opinion, trying to show how I validate it, and you turn it into an attack to Britain. This aggressive behaviour is completely uncalled for, and if you can't even back up the things that you say, defining them hypothetical yourself, you just show yourself to be yet another spineless keyboard hero.

You brought in the Italian thing in here, you are connecting my identity with someone else's, you're being offensive and calling me names, just because my opinion differs from yours.

I am afraid that the bonkers one here is you, not me. Oh, and I PMd you as requested, feel free to continue this there, since I believe it's off topic here?