Would Maddoxgame ever model this in the game??

[Flanker1985]

Hi, guys. Just out of curiosity here, but would Mr Maddox consider model this into the future COD series as a trainning plane like the Tiger month?

This is the first plane of the Chinese Red Army back in 1930. Named "Lenin", after the first leader of the Soviet.

[Kodoss]

I just did a little history checking.

Its a Curtiss Modell 68C (Hawk III), the export-version of the BF2C-1, and was uses as a Fighter-Bomber from August 1937 until the end of '37 in China, where they were superseded by the Polikarpov I-15 and I-16.

I doubt Luthier will make it.
If you want it, then wait for the SDK and then built it youself. And if your model, FM and DM is good enough (close to reality) and free for use, it might take it to an official patch. But even that is doubtable.

[Kodoss]

Sorry I made a mistake. It's not a Hawk, but i try to find it.

But it were 52 Hawk II (Model 65 or F11C-2 of BFC-2) and 102 Hawk III (model 68 or F11C-3 or BF2C-1) sold to the Kuomingtang government.

PS: the american system for naming their variants drive me nuts.

[Flanker1985]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

If its a Curtiss, then it's an American manufactured plane. Was it sold to the Imperial Chinese government or the later Kuomingtang government and captured by the Communist rebels (Red Army circa 1930s?) I bet that particular plane as a ton of cool history behind it!

Yeah, that is what I thought. That is why I thought the community might be interested.

Originally Posted by Kodoss

Sorry I made a mistake. It's not a Hawk, but i try to find it.

But it were 52 Hawk II (Model 65 or F11C-2 of BFC-2) and 102 Hawk III (model 68 or F11C-3 or BF2C-1) sold to the Kuomingtang government.

PS: the american system for naming their variants drive me nuts.

Hi, nice to meet you friend. From the data I have, it is a O2U-4 "pirate". In Feb 16th, 1930, this aircraft was used my Kuomingtang pilot who were spying on the Chinese Soviet zone. And for some reason, there were some engine issue and made a forced landing near a river bank deep in the Soviet zone.



This is the pilot, Long Wen-Guang

And he saw what the communists were doing, he decided to join the Red Army. And his aircraft were used mainly for 2 purposes. recon and drop "anti-civil war and united Chinese front against Japanese invasion" posters to the Kuomingtang army. Is was also used as a bomber for the offence on Huang'an city in Novenber 1931. The Red Army modified it to carry over 100kg bomb. The "Lenin" prove to be one of the crucial element for the success of the offence on Huang'an city. After the fall of the Huang'an city, Chiang Kai-shek offered a $100,000 reward on Long Wen-Guang's head and the "Lenin".
Due to the encirclement Campaign against Jiangxi Soviet, the Red Army were forced to do a Strategic shift. And since they cannot carry the plane with them, the plane was dismantled to burried in a cave somewhere in the Dabie Mountains by the local civilians. And Long Wen-Guang himself was later captured by Kuomingtang spy. After weeks of torture, Long Wen-Guang refuse to join back to the Kuomingtang army. In Augest 9th, 1933, under the charge of "bring the plane to join the Red bandits", he was beheaded.

A year later, Long Wen-Guang was awarded as the Revolutionary Martyr. And due to traitor informant, Kuomingtang found the aircraft and destroyed it. But the local citizens managed to save most the parts and hide them. In October 1st, 1949, the People's Republic of China was founded, and the new government put the aircraft back piece by piece and repaired it and then put it in the China Aviation Museum which is where the pictures are from.

After "Lenin" were destroyed:


Well, that is the short version of its history.

[Kodoss]

Found it!

It is a Vought O2U-1 Corsair or a Vought O3U Corsair.

Edit: damn not fast enough.

[Flanker1985]

Hi, Guys. I think you two just missed out the post I just post.

[Flanker1985]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Thanks! Very interesting read.

Kind of curious to the Kuomingtang's version of events, lol.

Yeah, friend, me too. And I have been trying to research on it. But so far no luck.

Also if you or your friends have some forgoten histroy of World War 2 like this, please share them here. Even if Mr Maddox doesn't decide to model this, I would still hope to turn this thread into a history sharing thread, since there is no history sharing sub-forum in this forum. And this way, we can all learn some history from each other and board our knowledge on world war 2.

I wish there is a way to change my thread title into "History Sharing".

The photos in the OP, were they taken at the Beijing military museum? I was there (2009) and the room and other aircraft look really familiar, but I don't remember that plane being there.