Dear MG

[albx]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

A patch monthly since release plus Luthiers last info plus their legacy from earlier IL-2 releases should be enough for most to understand that they are working on it.
U want a personal call or invitation to visit the site?

why don't you just stop acting like that? you are throwing flames...

Well we petitioned the dev's for more communication and had 80+ people agree to it within an hour of the thread going up, but a couple of people complained and the thread was removed, at the end of the day there has been a clampdown on these forums, the devs obviously dont want to give us any weekly/monthly progress reports, the communtity manager was just rhetoric and the mods are going medieval on any complainers, likewise members are being actively encouraged to report any posts they consider to be whines or moans, like it or not thats the way it is so I guess if you want regular updates then dont come here.

[Meusli]

God this forum is becoming incredibly boring, I feel like I am logging onto groundhog day.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Ataros

Mods, is it possible to merge all these threads into one as soon as they appear every Friday, Saturday, etc?

Best idea ever since the big red letters on reported posts, it will declutter the place and stop these threads from monopolizing all other discussion without deleting posts: people can still complain if they want to, but they can't take over the entire front page.

[Sternjaeger II]

I don't know what's worse,the denial of people that say "I'd rather have them working on it that posting updates",to which I would like to answer "hey,it's not some amateur-cottage-farm folks we're talking about,it's a Software House,with professionals working in it and which,like any other business,has well assignes duties and roles. Finding 20 minutes a week to write a few lines on what's going on is no rocket science,so my conclusion is that there are no updates because there is NO updates,they probably can't fix what they have. Speculation? Maybe,but no news and no patches means no success in fixing what's broken. And hey,don't get me wrong,sxxt happens and I'm well happy to wait (we've done it for YEARS),but at least be respectful to the community and explain what's going on"

..or that after so much talking,Luthier doesn't understand the importance of being present and answer the questions of his customers.

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I don't know what's worse,the denial of people that say "I'd rather have them working on it that posting updates",to which I would like to answer "hey,it's not some amateur-cottage-farm folks we're talking about,it's a Software House,with professionals working in it and which,like any other business,has well assignes duties and roles. Finding 20 minutes a week to write a few lines on what's going on is no rocket science,so my conclusion is that there are no updates because there is NO updates,they probably can't fix what they have. Speculation? Maybe,but no news and no patches means no success in fixing what's broken. And hey,don't get me wrong,sxxt happens and I'm well happy to wait (we've done it for YEARS),but at least be respectful to the community and explain what's going on"

..or that after so much talking,Luthier doesn't understand the importance of being present and answer the questions of his customers.

...or is a strategic decision, maybe even not decided by Luthier.

Not so long ago the company I was working for (public one) had a serious issue and lot of ink were flowing in the newspapers about it. We knew the issu could cost a fortune to us, and we knew that some guys was clearly feeding the fire in their our interests, so we put ourselves in hands of professionals.

We received an attack everyday in the news, but we never answered to them except for a few concise comunications, always avoiding the direct confrontation. In the meantime, we were working behind the scenes. A year later all was solved and nobody now remembers that, nor the company image received any damage.

Said that I,d like to add that Adonys is and has been a helpful forum member, the same for 335_Grathos. While I dont share his opinion here, I,d never calify him as a troll, and tho I dont like the first page of the forum to be filled with petitions, I understand they have the right to do it while it is a valid option and they do it correctly. With this, the only thing I am trying to say is please no more fights among good fellows.

Good day all!

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Best idea ever since the big red letters on reported posts, it will declutter the place and stop these threads from monopolizing all other discussion without deleting posts: people can still complain if they want to, but they can't take over the entire front page.

lol, until people realise they can edit the big red letters out. Great idea.

[smink1701]

It's pretty obvious that...

1. They are working on the game.
2. Friday updates/patches etc are a thing of the past
3. Regular communication from Luthier should not be counted on
4. No degree of complaining is going to have any influence on 1, 2 and 3.

[capt vertigo]

Blah, blah, blah..

The professional thing to do in the case of an incomplete delivery, as this one is, is to keep the paying customer apprised of when the rest of his order will arrive!

I am in the custom cabinet business, and when my company misses an install date by a couple weeks, I stay in close contact with my client, the contractor, and any other trades to make sure my inability to deliver a complete order does not lead to frustration and disappointment.

It only takes a minute..

Jeez

Mike

BTW. It's an awesome sim!! Just like my kitchens.. Awesome..

[yellonet]

Wow, some people are really not getting it.

1. You've paid for a license to install and play the game as it is, nothing more.
2. You do not have any right to get updates, information or anything.
3. Demanding and nagging for something that you have no right to becomes annoying for everyone, including the developers.

Luthier have realized that a vocal minority will never be satisfied, in fact they seem to get more rabid for each new piece of info they get instead of the other way around.
Confronted with this it is quite understandable that he has stopped communicating with the community.
So thanks to the whiners for ruining the excellent developer-community relationship for the rest of us!

And let me as, why do you all need to get constant and scheduled information updates?
Do you need it to plan your life or something?
You will likely get information when a patch is ready. That accompanied by the statement from Luthier that they are working, should be enough for a mature individual to just let go and wait.

It's like some of you keep a child-before-christmas feeling of anticipation just under the surface and that it torments you as you have to hold it in... just let go of that and try to not think about it