One explanation and we will stop whining

[Bobb4]

Okay guys let's get back on track.
I honestly believe if Luthier was authorised to respond he would have. We have tarred and feathered him enough. He has literally become the whipping boy for failing to deliver on a promise. Oleg made the promises remember, not Luthier.
So let's all stand back and look at the facts.
The current US version is 100 times better than the initial release version.
They are working on fixes, this we know.
Luthier obviously as the developer cannot comment on the game and his message has been clearly santitised by the Ubisoft boffins.
So we can scream and moan or just wait. I am sure an update is near, not this week or the next but soon.


Now I am off to go and fly RoF till things get better

But I will be back

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

So now you have had the explanation will you all stop whining about communication & updates?

Somehow i doubt you will 'agree' to keeping your word.

Well because they didn't use the word 'try' they've actually made a promise to us that they will stop whining and moaning. This is a very positive day for the community as a whole!

Now hopefully we can go back to the main point of the forum which helping each other get the most from the simulation.

Cheers to all!

[Allons!]

Interesting, very interesting. What a woody, preformulated statement we have here. OK its business, we ask, they deliver, we react, its not our friends or relatives. Greetz, Allons!

[Rattlehead]

I'm trying to look at this from both sides.

As a customer who would like the game fixed up to 100%, I feel the community is very much entitled to regular feedback regarding this sim. It's got some big issues and few are totally happy with it, so as a customer I think it's only fair that Luthier or someone else redoubles their efforts regarding communication since most people have been begging for it.
In the light of the buggy release I think that is only fair.

Having said that, I do feel that 1c themselves, if they gave a rat's about their customers, could hire a permanent PR guy to pick up the slack. They are a huge firm and MG has just thirteen overworked employees.
So what is 1c's excuse??
As I said before, we are beating the wrong guys over the head.

Looking at it from Luthier's point of view, he was probably thrust into a situation he had no control over (early release) and it was made even worse with Oleg leaving. So he is carrying the whole can now.

Upon release, I seem to remember him posting fairly regularly, and showing a good sense of humour. Aside from patch news, he posted two lengthly posts, one about some imposter that was impersonating him, and another about a former employee who had some not so nice things to say about the game. Then there was the VE Day post too. It shows that he was on the forums, checking things out and talking to us, and not neccessarily only about the patches.

But after receiving torrents of abuse, and let's be clear I am sure we only see a small snippet of it publically on these boards, I sense that the friendliness isn't there anymore. If he's fed up, I can't really blame him. C'mon fellas, some of the abuse has been personal and slanderous and strictly out of order. You know it has.

The problem is, no matter what he says or does, the whinging will not stop. If he posts today about a patch, there will be a ton of questions and even if he answers them, there will be a ton more. If he somehow answers those, there will still be a ton more.
Things he says will be used against him at a later date, so it's a no-win situation really. Hell, maybe the guy has been in meetings all week with 1c bigwigs, we don't know.

Let's see what the next few days bring.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by Allons!

Interesting, very interesting. What a woody, preformulated statement we have here. OK its business, we ask, they deliver, we react, its not our friends or relatives. Greetz, Allons!

Well it wasnt much but as you say its business and it was a lot better than you would get from your mobile phone or cable company when the signal goes out or something similar happens.

I'm feeling a little dissapointed as I was hoping for a possible patch today and it wouldnt have taken much to have given us a small update on progress, but really the news that they are still in business with plans for patches etc still on the table, makes me feel a little better, I still cant play often with the sound bug, but Im happy with the thought that all going well, we are one day going to have a pretty good sim on our hands, just hope that day arrives soon.

[furbs]

It took Luthier longer to post his welcome message than it would have to post a update.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

I'm trying to look at this from both sides. ............

Those are fair points Rattlehead but look at it this way. If Luthier feels he doesn't want to take part in these exchanges and wants to ignore those nasties - which is easy enough - all he has to do is satisfy his customers with a weekly Locked progress thread (locked, like the USA welcome message is) and having told us what is happening, leave us to support, denigrate whinge, whine or praise him in other threads.

I think a major mistake has been not using Locked threads for announcements. He just gets dumped on, drowning his post and turning the thread into a cat fight.

I don't expect him to get involved in the rows and opinions etc. I just want him to tell me, a paid up customer, what is happening to fix my faulty goods and approximately when I can expect the major fixes like the MP sound bug, trees, SLi (?) etc., to be ready. If I don't like what I hear and he can't change it then that's my tough luck but at least I'll know the current situation.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

So now you have had the explanation will you all stop whining about communication & updates?

Somehow i doubt you will 'agree' to keeping your word.

Tommy, all we have been told is....

"Dont expect any communication and there is no update"

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Well because they didn't use the word 'try' they've actually made a promise to us that they will stop whining and moaning. This is a very positive day for the community as a whole!

Now hopefully we can go back to the main point of the forum which helping each other get the most from the simulation.

Cheers to all!

+1

But if for some reason they have to breach the promise, maybe at least they are more flexible about their expectations too .

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by albx

I don't ask too much... but only one word from devs or mods just to calm everybody. If you (devs or mods) say "no more communication" than we will no more bother you guys asking news, but when Ilya said that he will "TRY" give us a weekly update and then in 3 weeks not a word, now I think we have the rights to be a little upset? I, and I think many other like me here, LOVE Cliffs of Dover. All this silence is really not nice to your customers Ilya.....

P.S.
well, I hope this thread will not be deleted too soon...

thank you

Yes, you have a right to be upset.

No, you can`t spam multiple threads to let others know about it.

No, Luthier dropping here and giving you some of his input won`t stop you moaning.