NEW AND INTERESTING IDEAS FOR Birds of Steel Developers

[mavrickandgoose]

Not trying to criticize you foz just saying my opinion of a rank system like that now if it were a who's wining the war axis or allied rank system not a individual player ranking I think that would be ok but ranking an individual being forced to fly a plane they don't want to fly is not a true who's better then who rank system that's my 2 cents

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by mavrickandgoose

I'm sorry there is NO way a spit v 109 match is close to even I would bow down and kiss the feet of ANYONE who beats me 1v1 with a 109 I don't understand your logic here for ranked matches with a handicapped plane choice. It's like giving one baseball team metal bats and the other wood or in NASCAR give half the teams stock cars and the other Indy cars how about telling boxers withch hand to punch with it's not a even fight and if we are going to do a ranked system like that shooting down a 109 in a spit should be worth 1/2 a point and shooting down a spit with a 109 should be worth 3

Sorry maybe i worded my reply wrong.

When i said a Spit v 109 would be evenly matched (roughly) i didnt mean with the in game planes that are currently on show.

I meant i real life. A Spit MkI and a 109E were a good match,theirs was no way one was superior to the other. One could so some things the other couldnt do, and vice versa. They would give each other a very good fight.

The planes in Birds of Prey are not as realistic as they should be, it doesnt take a veteran or proffesioanl pilot to know that, we all as airplane nuts know this

To be fair though.. i wouldnt play ranked anyway, not unless i had to to unlock something.

I think they guys will just keep it as it is, maybe add a few new features here or their.

[mavrickandgoose]

I completely agree foz if the planes in the game were evenly matched that would be great and a whole different story and just to be clear I am not arguing a axis v allied game mode I am just saying it shouldn't be a ranked mode if your forced to pick a certain plane I do think a axis v allied mode is a great idea though

[winny]

The main problem with the Allies vs Axis atm is the way that the diving and climbing are handled. It totally negates the advantages of the 109..

I'd also love to see the negative G cutouts associated with the Merlin engine.

It would make Spitfire pilots really think about how they get where they want to be. Also no combat flaps for the Spit (or any other a/c that didn't have them).

For the record I love Spits, but I want it realistic too.

[WildBoar44]

Different issue....diffo topic......Just thought....in CTA.....if there is going to be one....?

How about the option to select start in the Air (as now) or smaller lobby's to start on the ground on the "Home Airfield".....because lets face it...all AC take off from some home ground......But call me a Dweebe..but how about select "start" engine by pressing X and here those big old bad boy V12 / Radial / Jumo's cough into life..........

.......sorry fella's......just AeroPerving....!!!!!!

[P-51]

Originally Posted by winny

The main problem with the Allies vs Axis atm is the way that the diving and climbing are handled. It totally negates the advantages of the 109..

I'd also love to see the negative G cutouts associated with the Merlin engine.

It would make Spitfire pilots really think about how they get where they want to be. Also no combat flaps for the Spit (or any other a/c that didn't have them).

For the record I love Spits, but I want it realistic too.

That negative G problem was only really a big deal for Spit Mk1's because the fuel coul flood the carberetta (I think) however on later modles, a price was inserted to stop the back flow. While you couldn't nose over forever, it allowed you to be less sensitive with the controls. Same (Foz, correct me) with the hurricane I believe. Don't quote on that though.

What would b interesting, however, is the Gyro Gunsight Mk 2. Want realism? Install them in later Hurricanes, Spits and the P-47 (plus more allies). The Germans had a similar device in 190's and 262's I believe.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by P-51

That negative G problem was only really a big deal for Spit Mk1's because the fuel coul flood the carberetta (I think) however on later modles, a price was inserted to stop the back flow. While you couldn't nose over forever, it allowed you to be less sensitive with the controls. Same (Foz, correct me) with the hurricane I believe. Don't quote on that though.

What would b interesting, however, is the Gyro Gunsight Mk 2. Want realism? Install them in later Hurricanes, Spits and the P-47 (plus more allies). The Germans had a similar device in 190's and 262's I believe.

Yeah the old merlins lack of direct fuel injection was an issue, as any negative G's forced the fuel to flood the carberetta. BUT... to "fix" this issue, spits and hurricanes just half rolled before going into a dive.

They kept the carberetta in though because it improved the performance of the supercharger thus increasing the power of engine.

they fixed it ever so slightly with a metal diaphragm, it didnt fix things 100% but did help problems with the carberetta getting flooded. Was invented by a woman to i think. Has a weird name aswell. Will try and find out what it was.

[winny]

Originally Posted by P-51

That negative G problem was only really a big deal for Spit Mk1's because the fuel coul flood the carberetta (I think) however on later modles, a price was inserted to stop the back flow. While you couldn't nose over forever, it allowed you to be less sensitive with the controls. Same (Foz, correct me) with the hurricane I believe. Don't quote on that though.

What would b interesting, however, is the Gyro Gunsight Mk 2. Want realism? Install them in later Hurricanes, Spits and the P-47 (plus more allies). The Germans had a similar device in 190's and 262's I believe.

I actually know what I'm talking about, I's II's V's all suffered from negative g..they never really fixed it till 1943 with the true negative g Stromberg Carb.
'Miss Schillings Orifice' the piece you mentioned only deleayed the effect, you still got rich / lean cutouts.

Here's some proof..

A Mk V in 1941 at Castle Bromwich, flown by Alex Henshaw, suffering negative G cutouts, look for puffs of black smoke and listen to the engine. It misfires when inverted.

[FOZ_1983]

Miss schillings office!!

Thanks Winny you saved me wracking my brains trying to think of what it was called!!

[P-51]

Originally Posted by winny

I actually know what I'm talking about, I's II's V's all suffered from negative g..they never really fixed it till 1943 with the true negative g Stromberg Carb.
'Miss Schillings Orifice' the piece you mentioned only deleayed the effect, you still got rich / lean cutouts.

Here's some proof..

A Mk V in 1941 at Castle Bromwich, flown by Alex Henshaw, suffering negative G cutouts, look for puffs of black smoke and listen to the engine. It misfires when inverted.