Just imagine CloD with WoP map

[Derinahon]

Promoting your WOP video here? tut

[kendo65]

Yes - we're at risk of repeating OLD news here, but i have to say, as someone who really had been looking forward to COD for a long time I am really disappointed with the map. That WOP vid really just rams home for me what a poor job the devs have done in creating a believable depiction of the English countryside.

Looking at the WOP video the scenery looks thoroughly convincing and real. When looking at the COD map I'm constantly fighting a sense of disbelief - it just doesn't give me a feeling of reality. It's primarily down to the poor placement of trees. The net result is that things don't quite gel and coalesce to the stage where I just accept it as real. There is always that 'something not quite right' feeling that I have to fight against (usually unsuccessfully). I'm convinced that if the tree placement was redone in a similar way to WOP the map would really come together + maybe a little atmospheric haze as Philip_Ed suggests. It would probably be a fairly major undertaking and is not likely to be done any time soon though. (Maybe eventually by modders?)

I really never thought I'd say this, but the map is close to being a deal breaker for me with the entire game.

Sorry - I know others will disagree with my opinion, but unfortunately that's my take.

[RocketDog]

Same here - the map is a failure as it stands.

Originally Posted by RocketDog

Same here - the map is a failure as it stands.

a failure ? thats mighty harsh for a 1:1 scale representation of south east england. the un-educated critique around here is astounding. no wonder the developers shy away from any form of up front discussion. this is a simulation. not a game.

i think it does the job very well. but it isnt anywhere near a failure.. your opinion is more full of failure and the height of ridicule. (rediculous)

western world priveledged philosophy. does anyone round here know what that is ?

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

a failure ? thats mighty harsh for a 1:1 scale representation of south east england. the un-educated critique around here is astounding. no wonder the developers shy away from any form of up front discussion. this is a simulation. not a game.

i think it does the job very well. but it isnt anywhere near a failure.. your opinion is more full of failure and the height of ridicule. (rediculous)

western world priveledged philosophy. does anyone round here know what that is ?

Why 'uneducated'?

If the purpose of the game map is to produce a believable feeling of 'being there' then for me it doesn't work, so maybe that makes it a 'failure' in my eyes too.

It's possible that the issues mentioned are another result of the rush job/unfinished nature of the release - I could easily believe that the tree placement issues are due to some overworked graphics person being under too tight a deadline.

(A good analogy may be the AI. They needed to produce some form of AI to ship the game, but what we got obviously isn't the final version. Maybe a similar situation occurred with the map?? Unlike the AI though, which they have stated is being reworked, there has been no word on the map beyond the addition of transparent water and waves, which though welcome, is less important than getting the basic terrain right. It would just be a real shame if the map wasn't eventually made as good as it could be)

I would be interested to know the devs opinion and whether any reworking is planned alongside the myriad of other updates, fixes and improvements.

[RocketDog]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

a failure ? thats mighty harsh for a 1:1 scale representation of south east england. the un-educated critique around here is astounding. no wonder the developers shy away from any form of up front discussion. this is a simulation. not a game.

Well, my astounding, harsh and uneducated critique is based on the fact that I actually live in the area covered by CloD's map and frequently fly over it in a glider.

Generally, I find that CloD does a poor job of reflecting reality. The colours of the fields are wrong, the distinctive and near-universal dark hedges are missing, the trees are too light and so look like tropical specimens rather than the trees that actually grow in England, the horizon is too sharp and the colours don't mute into a blue haze in the distance like they do in real life [1]. Other sims get these things right, CloD doesn't. Of course, it's better at dawn and dusk, and best of all at midnight. Unfortunately, a BoB sim that doesn't work well in daylight is a bit limited.

What's exasperating about these (IMO serious) failures is that they were all quite avoidable. A lot of what's wrong is just the colour palatte. So claims that CloD looks less realistic than WoP because it's actually much more advanced rather miss the point. For instance, ClodD's higher resolution terrain textures could actually have used realistic colours and still kept their high resolution.

Speaking only for myself, I find the peculiar landscape CloD uses to represent England to be a real immersion killer. I didn't mind when IL-2 represented the Kuban or somewhere as a vast green plain, because I don't know the place in real life. But England is very familiar and it just doesn't look like CloD's representation. WoP (if the filters were removed) and FSX do a rather better job, in my opinion. Even RoF's France looks more like England, at least from high up.

To this particular English pilot, CloD looks like a cartoon version of the real England put together by someone who has never been here and didn't do much research before starting. And perhaps that is exactly what it is.

Now, obviously, some people are perfectly happy with CloD's England. And good luck to them and I hope they enjoy their game.

1. Some problems may be because I use an ATi 6970 and CloD doesn't seem to have been designed with modern ATi cards in mind. On my old GTX285 the horizon did look better.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by RocketDog

1. Some problems may be because I use an ATi 6970 and CloD doesn't seem to have been designed with modern ATi cards in mind. On my old GTX285 the horizon did look better.

Well, u can chock that up to AMD`s willingness to work with different teams during development = non existant if its not "wothy of thire effort", unlike NVidia who DID work with Oleg and team.

[biltongbru]

Originally Posted by RocketDog

Well, my astounding, harsh and uneducated critique is based on the fact that I actually live in the area covered by CloD's map and frequently fly over it in a glider.

Generally, I find that CloD does a poor job of reflecting reality. The colours of the fields are wrong, the distinctive and near-universal dark hedges are missing, the trees are too light and so look like tropical specimens rather than the trees that actually grow in England, the horizon is too sharp and the colours don't mute into a blue haze in the distance like they do in real life [1]. Other sims get these things right, CloD doesn't. Of course, it's better at dawn and dusk, and best of all at midnight. Unfortunately, a BoB sim that doesn't work well in daylight is a bit limited.

What's exasperating about these (IMO serious) failures is that they were all quite avoidable. A lot of what's wrong is just the colour palatte. So claims that CloD looks less realistic than WoP because it's actually much more advanced rather miss the point. For instance, ClodD's higher resolution terrain textures could actually have used realistic colours and still kept their high resolution.

Speaking only for myself, I find the peculiar landscape CloD uses to represent England to be a real immersion killer. I didn't mind when IL-2 represented the Kuban or somewhere as a vast green plain, because I don't know the place in real life. But England is very familiar and it just doesn't look like CloD's representation. WoP (if the filters were removed) and FSX do a rather better job, in my opinion. Even RoF's France looks more like England, at least from high up.

To this particular English pilot, CloD looks like a cartoon version of the real England put together by someone who has never been here and didn't do much research before starting. And perhaps that is exactly what it is.

Now, obviously, some people are perfectly happy with CloD's England. And good luck to them and I hope they enjoy their game.

1. Some problems may be because I use an ATi 6970 and CloD doesn't seem to have been designed with modern ATi cards in mind. On my old GTX285 the horizon did look better.

Well said Rocket dog, your testimony is pretty much undisputable; I am a keen supporter of Clod and did a lot to promote this sim even before its release and strongly believe that the challenges must be faced and solved.

It is however very interesting to see so many forum members who act in denial with some of the issues of Clod and actually BS themselves to such an extent that they believe there is no problem Some of them even become ill mannered with their replies....

[philip.ed]

+1 to Rocket-Dog.
But RD; if you had said that before, I am sure Ali would have agreed with you on many levels

[Derinahon]

Originally Posted by biltongbru

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It is however very interesting to see so many forum members who act in denial with some of the issues of Clod and actually BS themselves to such an extent that they believe there is no problem Some of them even become ill mannered with their replies....

Are you saying that anyone who disagrees with you is BS'ing themselves?

I don't think that's true. I think that the majority are happy with the way the game looks in most respects, but then there's the hard core 'it has to be a perfect representation of real life' crowd who will continue to complain in the strongest terms and make 'Oh if only CoD looked like WoP' threads.

There's my mildly I'll mannered reply for you :p