What aircraft would a Battle for Moscow senario need?

[Al Schlageter]

One can find the Luftwaffe OOB here, http://sturmvogel.orbat.com/Balkan.html#Barb

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[Katkatman]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Yeah. I mean who would have thought that the Battle of Britain would just be a cover-up for the il2 remake.

I personally think that late changings of purposes won't bring the game to the expected rentability, funds aren't unlimited.

Mh. I think the Russian market for such kind of things is quite big. Unlike here in Germany where - when I talk about my hobby - I collect strange looks.

Another money-wise interesting scenario will be the pacific (a scenario that I really did like in IL2. I just love carrier ops and to fly online the f3f4 vs the zero gave me always great fun. The 0.50ers on the f3f4 as modelled in old IL2 may have been weak but they were darn effective against the balsa planes.

I wish they would release Pacific theater aircraft . Then people could just create the islands when the SDK comes out.

[unreasonable]

Originally Posted by csThor

No Bf 109 F-4, AFAIK no unit engaged in Taifun was equipped with them.

II/JG3 were equipped with F4s on 27th July 1941. It was transfered from V Fliegerkorps to II Fliegerkorps at the end of September in preparation for Taifun and operated in the Orel area (on the southern end of the Taifun front) until 12th October, after which it was transfered to support the attack on the Crimea.

See J.Prien's book "JG3 Udet in WW2" for details.

Anyway, I would hope that the new expansion would include a Kiev or Crimea map anyway,so the full plane set should be available.

[Avimimus]

My priorities:
- Mig-3
- Il-4 (exceedingly well balanced bomber, with larger payload than the Il-2 or Pe-2)
- Il-2 (good strafing platform)
- Po-2 (or R-5)
- FW-189 (durable glass house, with strong gunners and giant wingspan)
- HS-126
- P-40B
- Pe-3

Wouldn't it be lovely to have these all as flyables?

However, knowing Luthier, there will likely be more of an emphasis on high performance planes (eg. notice that the projects he's supervised tend to off the maximum bombloads, without lighter operational options)...

Originally Posted by TeeJay82

Ill take a p40 over any early war russian fighter anyday, i find the .50`s to be the most average balanced round in the game. Ammo vs Stopping power wise

You only get two of the heavy machine guns though

[IceFire]

I don't think anyone mentioned the Yak-7... I'm fairly certain that there were Yak-7s in operation here as well. Mostly 7A but later the 7B as well... would have to look at the timing closely.

[csThor]

@ unreasonable

Thx. If Prien says so then I stand corrected.

@ IceFire

IIRC the Yak-7's transition into a frontline fighter began in late 1941 but I am not sure if it did fly combat missions before spring 1942. Remember the soviet aviation industry was still in the process of relocation to the east and was not up to speed.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by unreasonable

II/JG3 were equipped with F4s on 27th July 1941. It was transfered from V Fliegerkorps to II Fliegerkorps at the end of September in preparation for Taifun and operated in the Orel area (on the southern end of the Taifun front) until 12th October, after which it was transfered to support the attack on the Crimea.

See J.Prien's book "JG3 Udet in WW2" for details.

Anyway, I would hope that the new expansion would include a Kiev or Crimea map anyway,so the full plane set should be available.

JG52 also had F-4s from July 15 1941. see Prien's 109 book for photos taken at Tiraspol Oct 10 1941 of Major Hans Truenbach's F-4 WNr 7079 (pg 24)

[csThor]

Only III./JG 52 had the F-4 and while the Geschwaderstab got them later as well only II./JG 52 took part in Taifun - with Bf 109 F-2. The rest of JG 52 served in the South.