LIBIA italy question? or europe question?

[Sven]

I'm not sure any more, the 23 also looks a lot like it.

EDIT: After seeing more pictures I have to agree with Bigs, definitely a MiG-23, now the question: is it definitely from Libya, if so was it from Gaddafi or from the Rebels?

Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ver-Libya.html

[Biggs]

my money's on it being from Gaddafi's airforce.

what was it shot down by tho... the vid was zoomed out, all u really see is a little orange flash and then the plane begins to dive and burn...

AAA hit? Missile hit?

[Xilon_x]

LIBIAN PILOTS ABORT RAID TO BENGASI AND RFUGE TO MALTA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=augJ2EF8Wv4

[=SLO=Hellcat]

The Mig-23 that was shot down today supposedly belonged to the rebels. The pilot ejected too late and died.

[Xilon_x]

look at the crater that formed in the ground and 'impressive

[SEE]

First reports were it was a 'Pro Gaddafi Jet' shoy down by the rebels, followed by 'it was a rebel Jet' and shot down by the rebels by mistake and now it's a Rebel Jet shot down by Gaddafi's forces. Think I will go along with the second statement not that it matters much to the pilot.

[Xilon_x]

FRANCE STRIKE ATTAK TO LIBIA TODAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP3A0SKLGAY

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by Xilon_x

LIBIAN PILOTS ABORT RAID TO BENGASI AND RFUGE TO MALTA.

1. Stop posting in all caps, especially when you are wrong. Those jets defected weeks ago/last month, look at the video date. Its old news.

Infact this whole thread is rediculous...

edit- btw the reason I opened this thread is because the title spelled "Libya", as Libia which is lol worthy.
edit2 - its even more funny because of the op screaming headlines in caps as breaking news, when the news is weeks or more old (other than the shot down Libyan AF fighter which is obviously Libyan because the UK/France are deploying Typhoons (EuroFighter/Raphael) mainly as far as I have seen, although it could of been a UAE plane but I doubt it). Even more amusing is that now everyone in the thread is mispelling Libya, I think for that alone this thread deserves incineration for some type of internet cognitive impairment virus...

[Blackdog_kt]

If they really stick to providing the kind of assistance it was asked of them by the local population (ie, a no fly zone without any foreign troops on the ground) without making a mess of "collateral damage" (let's be honest and call it for what it is, dead civilians), then i guess it would be ok. But that's a big if.

In any case, the hypocrisy in the situation is very obvious: all the EU countries waited until the last batch of Lybian oil they had bought was shipped to them before they kicked off their operation. Our own prime minister comes from a party that had close ties to many Arab regimes (dating from a time that it wasn't really "agreeable" for many western countries to do so) and he still went ahead and granted access to the EU aircraft operating there, just like Sarkozy and Berlusconi were shaking Gaddafi's hand a few months ago but now want him gone...it's madness
Plus, i don't see anyone instituting any kind of international control zones in pro-western dictatorships like Bahrain, where mercenary police kills between 10 and 50 people every other day or so.

I'm very ambivalent about this. On one hand it's still a question of "what serves me right" that's presented as a freedom promoting operation through warfare. On the other one, at least this coalition had an invitation to operate there, a UN resolution to that effect and the reserved but still telling backing of the Arab league, which is much more than can be said for operations like Iraq. I just hope the locals can seize the situation and take matters into their own hands without the need for another prolonged war, which would be detrimental to everyone at this point in time.

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

If they really stick to providing the kind of assistance it was asked of them by the local population (ie, a no fly zone without any foreign troops on the ground) without making a mess of "collateral damage" (let's be honest and call it for what it is, dead civilians), then i guess it would be ok. But that's a big if.

In any case, the hypocrisy in the situation is very obvious: all the EU countries waited until the last batch of Lybian oil they had bought was shipped to them before they kicked off their operation. Our own prime minister comes from a party that had close ties to many Arab regimes (dating from a time that it wasn't really "agreeable" for many western countries to do so) and he still went ahead and granted access to the EU aircraft operating there, just like Sarkozy and Berlusconi were shaking Gaddafi's hand a few months ago but now want him gone...it's madness
Plus, i don't see anyone instituting any kind of international control zones in pro-western dictatorships like Bahrain, where mercenary police kills between 10 and 50 people every other day or so.

I'm very ambivalent about this. On one hand it's still a question of "what serves me right" that's presented as a freedom promoting operation through warfare. On the other one, at least this coalition had an invitation to operate there, a UN resolution to that effect and the reserved but still telling backing of the Arab league, which is much more than can be said for operations like Iraq. I just hope the locals can seize the situation and take matters into their own hands without the need for another prolonged war, which would be detrimental to everyone at this point in time.

This would of been long over if a week or two ago NATO had hit Libyan armour then before they organised and grabbed the oilports and their fuel for the vehicles. After that initial rebel push and then retreat which resulted in the loss of the oil ports, all we have seen is a relentless push towards Benghazi, it may be too little to late at this point since pro Ghadaffi troops are already fighting the rebels in the city and we are just preventing mechanised convoys / supplies reinforcements. Although it looks like France and the UK will step up their help for the rebels, US doesnt want to get dragged in though.

edit- apparently the jet was a rebel jet they sent up to try and intercept incoming bombers (according to CNN).