only 12 planes?!?!?

[TheGrunch]

Calm down ElAurens, I'm pretty certain he was just jokingly expressing his appreciation for the underrepresented subject matter of the original game. Jokes aside, though, I agree with your sentiment about NG 100%, they're not helping their own reputation, the future of flight simming, or promoting any kind of education about the important role of their previous ventures in the Second World War. It's a lose-lose situation, all for a short-term buck.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

Calm down ElAurens, I'm pretty certain he was just jokingly expressing his appreciation for the underrepresented subject matter of the original game. Jokes aside, though, I agree with your sentiment about NG 100%, they're not helping their own reputation, the future of flight simming, or promoting any kind of education about the important role of their previous ventures in the Second World War. It's a lose-lose situation, all for a short-term buck.

Actually I was just trying to stir up the original poster who seemed to be complaining about a lack of American Planes in a Battle of Britain simulation were no such planes took part

The NG situation was a total farce and the fact that many completed or almost completed US late war aircraft and even some naval ships never made it into the game because of idiotic legal extortion by NG (they basically had no legitimate case but threatened to delay the release of Pacific Fighters with lengthy court action unless they got their way) was quite reprehensible.

[TheGrunch]

So in essence, pretty much standard business practise for NG.

[ElAurens]

Thanks Galway.

It's so hard to judge true intent here sometimes.

Such is the nature of text only communication.

Cheers.

[xHeadbanDx]

No complaints here.

[Voyager]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Actually I was just trying to stir up the original poster who seemed to be complaining about a lack of American Planes in a Battle of Britain simulation were no such planes took part

The NG situation was a total farce and the fact that many completed or almost completed US late war aircraft and even some naval ships never made it into the game because of idiotic legal extortion by NG (they basically had no legitimate case but threatened to delay the release of Pacific Fighters with lengthy court action unless they got their way) was quite reprehensible.

Actually, technically speaking, Martlet MK I's were patrolling the coast of Scotland by August 1940. Granted, they only had the one stage super charger, but if I recall correctly, they were the first American made aircraft to down an Axis aircraft during the war.

In fact, the whole USN/RN dual production thing was why Grumman went to a six gun wing in the first place. The RN wanted an 8-gun wing, the USN wanted 0.50 cal minimum, and the Wildcat just wasn't going to be able to list an 8x0.50 cal armament, so they split the difference, and gave the Brits two guns short, and the USN 14 seconds less fire time. Nobody liked that change.

On the other hand, by the time of the Hellcat, 6x0.50 was quite a decent set of guns, when it had enough ammo for the set.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Voyager

... but if I recall correctly, they were the first American made aircraft to down an Axis aircraft during the war.

It was probably the Hawk 75 in France.

[JG53Frankyboy]

"On 8 October 1939, over Jutland, a Lockheed Hudson became the first RAF aircraft to shoot down a German aircraft"
so far for the RAF

and in total
" 8 September 1939, Hawk 75 from Groupe de Chasse II/4 were credited with shooting down two Luftwaffe Messerschmitt Bf 109Es, the first Allied air victory of World War II on the Western front."

the Martlet was "just" the first US build FIGHTER in UK service that shoot down an enemy...and that was december 1940

[Voyager]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

"On 8 October 1939, over Jutland, a Lockheed Hudson became the first RAF aircraft to shoot down a German aircraft"
so far for the RAF

and in total
" 8 September 1939, Hawk 75 from Groupe de Chasse II/4 were credited with shooting down two Luftwaffe Messerschmitt Bf 109Es, the first Allied air victory of World War II on the Western front."

the Martlet was "just" the first US build FIGHTER in UK service that shoot down an enemy...and that was december 1940

You're right. I think the deal was that it was the first Navy fighter, but I may be confusing the incident with something else.

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

I'd love to fly the Martlet in CoD...it's one of the most fun aircraft in Il-2 already.

To the best of my knowledge we don't have the Marlet Mk I in Il-2. There seems to be a fair amount of confusion about exactly which supercharger setup the British got the Mk IIs, and III's, but the ones that would be available in the BoB time frame would be the ones with the poor supercharger. Whereas an F4F-3 with the two-speed, two stage supercharger is a match for a 109E-4 at 7.5km+, and superior at 10km, without the second supercharger stage, it is inferior to the 109E at all altitudes.

The closest thing to the Marlets would be the F4F-3A, but I don't think that one is in '46