Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Stiboo

Many thanks Ilya for lots of posts this week

as said before, your (and Oleg's) replies are worth more than the screenshots and vid.


I do feel that the points below (although not put in the most respectful way) do raise some valid points -





Compared to most game releases I can think of, things seem to have been handled in a very strange way, very little video/game play video or trailers, no big computer magazine previews, no magazine adverts or any adverts I can think of...isn't all this sort thing what a game publisher is paid for?

The official website only going live a few weeks before release, with almost no content to it...

With only a few weeks to go before release I still cannot pre-order in the UK through GAME UK or Steam - i've NEVER known that for any game..?

Releasing the game at the same time as other big PC game releases such as Shogan2 TW, Dragon Age 2, Assassins Creed Brotherhood ( Ubisoft), Crysis 2, The Sims 3: Medieval, again I thought game publishers tried to avoid launching a smaller title when other blockbusters are raking in the pocket money...

Yes the core game looks fantastic and will grow for years to come, but as far as launching the game and 'selling' the game to the public and generating any sort of hype it's FUBAR !


So no moans at Oleg or Ilya but Ubisoft = SNAFU


Regards to you all

Simon

Pretty sure that both Oleg and Ilya have posted on these topics before, or are misleading questions.

1. They have said they don't want to make misleading and shopped videos like other companies do. Most companies' early videos are teaser trailers that are rendered and not in game.

2. Ubisoft made the release statement, and they really don't give 2 shits they just want to get money.

3. I would hardly call those the "Main attractive features" sure they are great, and it has already been told to us that it just won't make initial release. This is the team that has continued to support a decade old simulator WHILE making a brand new significantly cutting edge simulator

4. The DRM doesn't sound awful, but 1C Maddox has little input on this, and yes I am against limited install DRM even if this isn't super restrictive like some we have seen in the past from Ubi.

5. This is far from half finished, and they have to get their money to continue supporting themselves and their families. They will support this game they aren't some huge dev house that fire and forgets what they make. They have proven that if nothing they are loyal to their fans.

I have to say yes I am a little disappointed about some of those facts (dynamic weather and DRM to be specific), but I have faith that 1C Maddox will support this simulator for years to come, and any features that aren't ready the day of release won't be as important as the features that are. Furthermore, that features that have been promised to this community will be in in future releases, and I don't believe it will be only with the purchase of expansions like other dev houses would do. They will be patches given freely, and that expansions and additions to the title that are paid for will add much more life both online and in single-player modes.

Once again Thank You to all the people at 1C Maddox for all your hard work and your diligent attention to this sometimes winy community.

Well theres no point sending the game to be reviewed by any PC mags without at first telling the potential reviewer what system specs he/she need to run the game smoothly, the first thing anybody will do in a battle of britian sim is whack the detail up and try and bomb London or defend it. As luthier as said this will only create a slide show hence the game review score will ultimately be very low.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Well theres no point sending the game to be reviewed by any PC mags without at first telling the potential reviewer what system specs he/she need to run the game smoothly, the first thing anybody will do in a battle of britian sim is whack the detail up and try and bomb London or defend it. As luthier as said this will only create a slide show hence the game review score will ultimately be very low.

You're assuming a reviewer will have a crappy system, and not an advanced "high end" system that most review houses have. I think you are a detractor/troll/sperglord from what I've seen, and certainly a pessimist. Will it get high scores from most mass market reviewers? Probably not, but they review for the average gamer and not for niche market gamers like us. You frequently post non-constructive criticisms, and frankly have turned many people who are excited about this sim off of these forums, and I say that not as an uniformed poster, but as someone who reads other forums that are excited about this particular sim.

[GOA_Potenz]

Ilya answer the phone

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

You're assuming a reviewer will have a crappy system, and not an advanced "high end" system that most review houses have. I think you are a detractor/troll/sperglord from what I've seen, and certainly a pessimist. Will it get high scores from most mass market reviewers? Probably not, but they review for the average gamer and not for niche market gamers like us. You frequently post non-constructive criticisms, and frankly have turned many people who are excited about this sim off of these forums, and I say that not as an uniformed poster, but as someone who reads other forums that are excited about this particular sim.

Yes thanks for that, but can you not see where your answer is fundamentally flawed, in that we dont know how it runs on a high end system, we keep begging Luthier and Oleg to show us some video on a real high end PC, we want to wave the Cliffs Of Dover flag and say jeez look how good this game runs if you've got the the right kit, hundreds of people are waiting to buy or build new systems and spend thousands just to play this game, but for some reason the devs are holding back on showing us this game run on a top end gaming rig.

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Yes thanks for that, but can you not see where your answer is fundamentally flawed, in that we dont know how it runs on a high end system, we keep begging Luthier and Oleg to show us some video on a real high end PC, we want to wave the Cliffs Of Dover flag and say jeez look our good this game runs if you've got the the right kit, hundreds of people are waiting to buy or build new systems and spend thousands just to play this game, but for some reason the devs are holding back on showing us this game run on a top end gaming rig.

Sorry Nearmiss, mate, but I can't hold it in any longer........

Here is your real answer, Tree : The reason that the Devs are holding back is that 99.99999 percent of the people that are coming here are going to buy COD based on what they have seen so far, and wasting time that can be used to further improve the game to try to make you happy is just stupid, because you'll never be happy with anything, you've proven it just as well as Oleg and his fine crew have proved that they can make (most of) the rest of us happy.

Back to the ignore list with you.....

Originally Posted by BadAim

Sorry Nearmiss, mate, but I can't hold it in any longer........

Here is your real answer, Tree : The reason that the Devs are holding back is that 99.99999 percent of the people that are coming here are going to buy COD based on what they have seen so far, and wasting time that can be used to further improve the game to try to make you happy is just stupid, because you'll never be happy with anything, you've proven it just as well as Oleg and his fine crew have proved that they can make (most of) the rest of us happy.

Back to the ignore list with you.....

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

I think you miss the point. Other than reviewers of combat flight sims general mass market reviewers will not sing it's praises for the most part. It will be great for what it is, and hopefully those of us that are dedicated to this genre and want to see it flourish will bring new players under our wings with this sim. I have no faith in reviewers for anything that isn't Battlefield Halo of Wars Generic FPS for consoles.

From what I have seen for Cliffs of Dover and from this development house I have faith that this will be the finest CFS any of us have seen. Rise of Flight released with only what 4 planes? The only other "hot" combat flight sims out there are the DCS series and each of those two sims only cover 1 plane each, and they don't have as advanced of a flight model or damage model from what I've seen. I honestly believe even with an earlier than fully ready release of Cliffs of Dover may truly be able to reinvigirate the genre as a whole. I myself have convinced at least several (3) other people to give this game a go, and none of them are fans of flight sims, but have a passing interest in the concept.

Instead of arguing in and amongst ourselves and moaning over possible bad reviews from paid to review games reviewers it is WE who need to spread the word, and nitpicking over minute details detracts from it all.

We should be the heralds we shouldn't be arguing because the shade of the insturment panel is off by 1 metric, or of HDRR vs their own ground up lighting system. We need to be bringing fresh blood in with as much tenacity as 1C Maddox is trying to do with scalable difficulty.

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

The absence of a "high end gaming computer" video clip is NOT a make it or break it issue...most people don't have a "state of the art" machine, and most people feel better about buying a game that looks and runs "as advertised"...I feel better knowing that I can get close to the results I have seen, in the up-dates, without having to spend $500 to $1000.

How many times have we been let down by dishonest advertising campaigns that dangle flashy video clips and Photoshop enhanced combat sequence that look nothing like the actual game? Too many times to count...thats how many.


Yea...ok, it might be interesting to see how the game would look on an expensive machine, but we all know how anti-aliasing works, and we all know that the more you spend the better it looks. This is not a critical area...its a puff piece.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

C'mon Tree, your not stupid so can't you understand that they are not content yet with the RC and therefore they don't want to show an attack by a full squadron of Spitfires attacking 50+ He 111:s over London until they really have to? Like said, the couple of thousand sim/ww2 nerds here (accept swiss who is not a nerd ) will buy it anyway...