Some freetrack questions

[SEE]

Originally Posted by swiss

The way I understood it is: Position of point R(Reference LED) to center of head.
Where can you adjust the distance point R to cam?

There is no documentation regards the Transition Sliders ( the ones beneath the Model Point Construction Dimensions) but they can be used to set the optimum position of the LED clip with respect to the camera.

Rather than describe how it works simply do the following:-

1. Power up your LED clip, sit in your preferred position and with the Webcam facing your clip.

2. Start FT, do not press the Centre Hot Key and view the default location of the Skull. You will notice that there are two crosses, One RED the other BLUE, one attached to a fixed point in space and another affixed to the mid point of the skull.

3 Now adjust the Transition sliders in the X, Y and Z axis - the skull will move (in relation to the camera) and you can allign for a perfect default centre to the fixed X Y and Z reference lines.

Why is this included? One reason I suspect is that its bloody hard to actually get your clip in perfect centre to the field of view of the camera as you have to move your head to move the camera.....chasing ones tail never to catch it.....

Secondly, a thousand people could make a 'clip' and not one would be the same.....thats custom building at its best....


I calibrate the exact centre using the Transition Sliders (with a slight bias in the Z axis as I work close to the screen) and have perfect response in all axiz and find that I rarely have to keep re-centring my view ....try it is the best I can advise.

[Matt255]

If CoD won't support Freetrack, i would really like to know that before the release.

Because i don't plan to buy TrackIR exclusively for CoD when Freetrack works fine with every other game i own.

[Korn]

The only reason NP are getting away with their position it's because headtracking is a new thing, with a relatively small market. Imagine Logitech trying to stop anyone else from building mices, or rather Logitech making deals with software developers (especially OS) so that any other mouse brand would not work in said software product.

I think it's a safe to say that this kind of monopolistic and anti-competitive bull* would not be tolerated should the European Comission catch wind of this. Rembember the massive fines m$ got just a few years back.

[robtek]

I really wonder if anybody has any proof, beside hearsay, that np has done any of those things they are alleged to have done.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by robtek

I really wonder if anybody has any proof, beside hearsay, that np has done any of those things they are alleged to have done.

http://naturalpointofview.blogspot.com/

Besides that, why any dev of IL-2:CoD can't answer now the simple question about FreeTrack API support?

Isn't a technical issue, because is easy as hell get the coordinates of FreeTrack API and put into the 6DOF inside IL-2:CoD.

Any word about the subject by Oleg or Luthier? The time is now!

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Matt255

If CoD won't support Freetrack, i would really like to know that before the release.

Because i don't plan to buy TrackIR exclusively for CoD when Freetrack works fine with every other game i own.

+1, and I consider a lack of consumer respect have my questions about the subject IGNORED by the deav team until now. They talk about engine flames colour, but not about head tracking devices?

[nearmiss]

I don't recall at any time reading anything from the developers of any real substance about head tracking devices, even for IL2. Other than whether they are supported or no.

The community has been the real source of information on headtrackers.

When I read BOB COD was going to support clickable cockpits I immediately had thoughts about how head tracking would be facilitated.

Regardless, the release is in March... A lot of information will be coming our way.

I also use the Freetrack, and to be honest I love it. I've got an excellent setup now and it's exceptional.

Will I be willing to give it up for TrackIR? I will if I have to, and that sums it up. Will I be happy about it? Nope.

Will I boycott BOB COD, because freetrack won't work? Are you friggin' kidding me. I wouldn't give up a world class air combat experience for any headtracker.

I did the IL2 with my left hand on a trackball for several years, before freetrack.

I'll do it again if I have to, but NO I will not spite myself because of any ill temper I have about a headtracker.

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I don't see how NaturalPoint has anything they can patent.

I use a trackball mouse. Mouse action can be converted for use with head movement action.

I can move the cursor anywhere I want it with the mouse, so how can such a thing be patented?

Natural point might have the ability to have their own proprietary api on the game software linked to their application software, but I can't see why a freetrack couldn't do the same.

The only issue I would think is providing the api to the developer when the game is developed for it to be included within the game at release.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

The only issue I would think is providing the api to the developer when the game is developed for it to be included within the game at release.

It's already available. BIS use FreeTrack API into ArmAII and Operation: Arrowhead.

It's just 6DOF coordinates, not rocket science. That's why I'm concerned about the total lack of devs feedback about that.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

It's already available. BIS use FreeTrack API into ArmAII and Operation: Arrowhead.

It's just 6DOF coordinates, not rocket science. That's why I'm concerned about the total lack of devs feedback about that.

I don't know if you have clout with freetrack developer, but that might be the place to start. The BOB COD development team hasn't gone Gold. That should indicate the inclusion of a freetrack api in the code is still probably possible.

Seriously, I doubt Oleg would want to get involved in supporting any monopoly software when it pays him nothing to take the risk of a lawsuit.

So... I would say YES, if the freetrack api is available they should promote it to Oleg or Luthier.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I don't know if you have clout with freetrack developer, but that might be the place to start. The BOB COD development team hasn't gone Gold. That should indicate the inclusion of a freetrack api in the code is still probably possible.

Seriously, I doubt Oleg would want to get involved in supporting any monopoly software when it pays him nothing to take the risk of a lawsuit.

So... I would say YES, if the freetrack api is available they should promote it to Oleg or Luthier.

http://www.free-track.net/english/fr...chargement.php

I believe FreeTrack don't need to be "promoted". FreeTrack is open, have all tools inside, is a free software and a lot of simmers uses FreeTrack.

Into this download you have the SDK after installed - free and open source... Well, now I'm "promoting" FreeTrack, if nobody knows about it. FreeTrack is under GNU General Public License.

"FreeTrack interface
Open source interface for third party programs that provides raw point coordinates, camera resolution, raw pose and virtual pose data."

A LOT of people uses it as headtracking software. And I don't believe that 1C team, devs of major flight sims, never know about this piece of software. I'm amazed.

Well, if you not aware about FreeTrack existence, now easily can put FreeTrack native suport into IL-2:CoD now. I'm glad to help you with the link to FreeTrack download!

Thanks for the suport for FreeTrack users!!!