I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[winny]

BoB Spit vs 109 arguments are always hard to nail...

Let's not forget that it was a very fluid time in development terms and features were added as they were produced. The germans knew what their advantages were which is why they would attack, dive away climb back up and try again, very few would deliberatley enter into a turning fight (except the aces who knew they could beat Spitfires any way).

That's the thing, too many German aces said they could easily beat Spitfires.
It's been said that a great pilot couldn't get much more out of a Spit than an average pilot because it was so easy to fly, whereas a great german pilot could get a lot more out of the 109 than an average pilot could. Use of the slats to deliberatly stall the plane to escape a Spitfire seem quite comon among the German Aces from what I've read, along with a few other 'tricks' that only the top men could perform.

It will be interesting to see how the diving away tactic works in CoD, depends on how much speed is lost when the Spit engine cuts, if it's realistic there are going to be a few frustrated Spitfire pilots about.

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by winny

Use of the slats to deliberatly stall the plane to escape a Spitfire seem quite comon among the German Aces from what I've read

I'd like to read this book, never seen it before

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by K_Freddie

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Originally Posted by winny View Post
Use of the slats to deliberatly stall the plane to escape a Spitfire seem quite comon among the German Aces from what I've read



I'd like to read this book, never seen it before

That was Hans Joachim Marseille attacking Lufberry circles in Africa not 109's vs Spitfires in the BoB.

What actually IS documented in the BoB is that the better LW pilots often flew elliptical turns in a dog fight using the slats to temporarily pull some lead and then loosing the stick again before too much speed was washed off.

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

What actually IS documented in the BoB is that the better LW pilots often flew elliptical turns in a dog fight using the slats to temporarily pull some lead and then loosing the stick again before too much speed was washed off.

What I read/heard is that the slats never caused a stall, but allied BoB pilots thought it did, as in tight turns the me109 will roll out.

The actual reality was that the slats came out with such a 'bang' (force) and inexperienced pilots thought they were being shot at and hit, so rolled out of the turn. Experienced pilots had no such problems. The slats did cause a momentary loss of aim.

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by K_Freddie

What I read/heard is that the slats never caused a stall, but allied BoB pilots thought it did, as in tight turns the me109 will roll out.

The actual reality was that the slats came out with such a 'bang' (force) and inexperienced pilots thought they were being shot at and hit, so rolled out of the turn. Experienced pilots had no such problems. The slats did cause a momentary loss of aim.

Wings with slats stall too. Look at 109 slats. They not cover all leading edge of wing but mostly airleon area. So it mean that your wing root could be actualy in stall but wingtips still have lift and you aircraft is controlalble. You push stick more and your wing tips would stall also. Slats in 109 cause much more control in stall depart and very good stall symptoms but still if you push it more you will stall your plane. It would help a lot but not elimante stall completly.

In Spits other hand there was wingtips washout which also allow higher angle of attack in wingtips and when your wing roots were in stall your wing tips and airleons were not and your plane was still controlable until you push it more. Spit had also good symptoms of incoming stall.

Of course slats give 109 more gentle stall but other hand casue some more other problems with not symetrical opening slots in both wings ( in slip or slide).