I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[Sven]

ahhh what a feeling, that just made my day

Someone moaning about the new Spitfire FM, excellent just excellent! Keep going guys, we axis flyers watch from a distance in an old man's chair with a can of coke, popcorn and laughing

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by Sven

ahhh what a feeling, that just made my day

Someone moaning about the new Spitfire FM, excellent just excellent! Keep going guys, we axis flyers watch from a distance in an old man's chair with a can of coke, popcorn and laughing

Originally Posted by Oktoberfest

So good to see the spit FM come closer to reality AT LAST ! Now they'll actually have to learn the basics of flying an aircraft and not a UFO !

I find your attitudes offensive and bigoted.

Some of us have no agenda other than 'getting it right'.

I was there supporting the removal of the Fw190 bar, I requested the MG151/20 loadout for the late 109s many years ago. I also posted recently to get the cockpit view on stock Spitfire Mk Vc's corrected because it currently gives too good a view for deflection shooting.

Your partisanship (and that of others) shows narrow mindedness and is unhelpful to the community as it promotes bickering and marginalises genuine issues by relegating them to Luftwhiner/Sissyfire trash.

So instead of smugly throwing trenchant comments about, how's about you read my above post - particularly regarding the fact that the current aileron trim modelling is questionable - test it by seeing if any other a/c in game suffers a similar problem, then go find some relevent sources to support your findings and make an educated opinion?

My guess is you probably won't.

[Holgersson]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

I find your attitudes offensive and bigoted.

Some of us have no agenda other than 'getting it right'.

I was there supporting the removal of the Fw190 bar, I requested the MG151/20 loadout for the late 109s many years ago. I also posted recently to get the cockpit view on stock Spitfire Mk Vc's corrected because it currently gives too good a view for deflection shooting.

Your partisanship (and that of others) shows narrow mindedness and is unhelpful to the community as it promotes bickering and marginalises genuine issues by relegating them to Luftwhiner/Sissyfire trash.

So instead of smugly throwing trenchant comments about, how's about you read my above post - particularly regarding the fact that the current aileron trim modelling is questionable - test it by seeing if any other a/c in game suffers a similar problem, then go find some relevent sources to support your findings and make an educated opinion?

My guess is you probably won't.

True words.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Sven

Someone moaning about the new Spitfire FM, excellent just excellent! Keep going guys, we axis flyers watch from a distance in an old man's chair with a can of coke, popcorn and laughing

Why are you laughing, are you not interested in having accurate modelled planes in the game you play? Presumably you're not commenting on the accuracy of the flight model, since you only fly axis planes and wouldn't know much about how the allied planes fly. Those of us that fly both allied and axis planes like them to be as well modelled as is sensible in a game.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Why are you laughing, are you not interested in having accurate modelled planes in the game you play? Presumably you're not commenting on the accuracy of the flight model, since you only fly axis planes and wouldn't know much about how the allied planes fly. Those of us that fly both allied and axis planes like them to be as well modelled as is sensible in a game.

Depends what some define as accurate.....with some one has the feeling they read too many fantasy comics or are spoiled by Hollywood.
I think it is time for a whine patch! And it should look like this:

[SEE]

Bloody hell guys, I doubt anyone here has ever flown a Spitty or BF to say categorically wether the FM is accurate or not. It's simply a discussion about the differences between 4.09 and 4.10. Some people feel that the changes are for the better and others feel that may be they are not quite correct. People are free to express their views but it is infortunate that some threads just seem to decend into a war of words rather than be informative with a bit of witty banter thrown in for good measure.

[Oktoberfest]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Why are you laughing, are you not interested in having accurate modelled planes in the game you play? Presumably you're not commenting on the accuracy of the flight model, since you only fly axis planes and wouldn't know much about how the allied planes fly. Those of us that fly both allied and axis planes like them to be as well modelled as is sensible in a game.

The Spit wasn't modelled correctly at all before 4.10m anyway. Magic E-Retention, 90° turns in less than one sec at 500 kph, no overheating, ability to keep dogfighting even if full of lead.... The examples are countless. Now at least, they are more close to real physics.

BTW, I fly the 110 for already 4 years now, neraly exclusively. You sure need a lot of trim to have it fly level, and also to counter the torque of he engines. I got used to that. I think Spitfire pilots will just have to learn that too now.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Wutz

Depends what some define as accurate.....with some one has the feeling they read too many fantasy comics or are spoiled by Hollywood.

Indeed, and that goes for all planes. The OP has simply said they don't like the new handling, and an axis only flyer thinks that's funny, which I don't really understand.

Originally Posted by SEE

Bloody hell guys, I doubt anyone here has ever flown a Spitty or BF to say categorically wether the FM is accurate or not.

I doubt the programmers have ever flown one either. They have to base their decisions on a lot of the same information that some of the people here have access to.

It's simply a discussion about the differences between 4.09 and 4.10. Some people feel that the changes are for the better and others feel that may be they are not quite correct. People are free to express their views but it is infortunate that some threads just seem to decend into a war of words rather than be informative with a bit of witty banter thrown in for good measure.

Yes I agree. It's interesting to see what people think of the flight modelling of all the planes. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone who likes the game thinks it's laughable than people dislike the flight modelling of a plane that the axis pilot never flies.

Originally Posted by Oktoberfest

The Spit wasn't modelled correctly at all before 4.10m anyway. Magic E-Retention, 90° turns in less than one sec at 500 kph, no overheating, ability to keep dogfighting even if full of lead.... The examples are countless. Now at least, they are more close to real physics.

I've always had more luck continuing to fight after being shot when in a 109 or 190. I've found the Spit a lot more fragile the the German fighters.

BTW, I fly the 110 for already 4 years now, neraly exclusively.

So how are you in a good position to compare the modelling of different fighters?

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Indeed, and that goes for all planes. The OP has simply said they don't like the new handling, and an axis only flyer thinks that's funny, which I don't really understand.

I doubt the programmers have ever flown one either. They have to base their decisions on a lot of the same information that some of the people here have access to.

Yes I agree. It's interesting to see what people think of the flight modelling of all the planes. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone who likes the game thinks it's laughable than people dislike the flight modelling of a plane that the axis pilot never flies.

I've always had more luck continuing to fight after being shot when in a 109 or 190. I've found the Spit a lot more fragile the the German fighters.
So how are you in a good position to compare the modelling of different fighters?

Look I am one of the guys who don't care if the plane if 5km/h faster than the real plane and so on: I'm perfectly aware that the margin of error of 5% is good enough.

But I'm one of those who likes to review the airplanes flying them in battle environments; I fled Spitfire a lot in training sessions and to balance online missions.
I become a Oleg's Spit-hater because of the great differences between this kind of plane and the other in IL2 (above all his counterparts). The Spitfires were incredible.

Then I think you have to understand if some pilots who really has resigned themself to fly a wierd Fw190 (the "bar" is only the peak of the iceberg in that plane, you'll see) now they find "relaxing" that the plane of their nightmare has been tuned down. After years of "luftwhiners" name calling...

You say that it's easier to survive in a 109 and 190: you're right because people must learn to fly the 109/190 the right way while noobs in the old spitfire model could still score many kills against average pilots and sometimes against veterans too since they don't think about their survival. Infact today I usually don't attack a spitfire at my same altitude. Of course there are exceptions like Fenrir and his teammates and one guy in TD (sorry can't remember the name in this moment) and maybe some others: they used the Spitfire in the way a warbird should be used (!energy fighting!) and could not be killed even if outnumbered.

So IMO this is a great patch since also the average Spitfire pilot has to learn the basics of air fighting.

My squad is used to fly training dogfights at 7km with SpitV vs 109F and the first day using the 4.10 Spitfire all the "Red" pilots were surprised and happy at the same time. The common exlamation was "FINALLY!".

Now I can return to love that plane in IL2 too (but Fenrir is right about those issues).

[JoeA]

You know, I really don't think the whining is going to stop with COD.

I do hope the Spit was made more realistic in any case.