Trying to identify this 110 shot down in Africa or the MTO. Pictures included.

veltro205 · #1 01-13-2011, 04:12 PM

Glad to have been of help, Mystic...!

As far as your hypothesis is concerned, my opinion is that in no way that Bf 110 may have been a combat casualty: the fuselage virtually intact and the neat dismantling of the wings clearly indicate one example cannibalized by the unit and left on the abandoned airfield (wheter it is Montecorvino or elsewhere, the thing still applies.).

As I have said, there are strong possibilities that this example is among those reported abandoned in the airfield area, only transcribed with a wrong individual letter.

At least, this is what experience and observation do suggest.

HTH, all the best

P.S. I have already expressed privately to Ralph my congratulations for the fantastic work you've done. I can only repeat to you directly my admiration and heartfelt gratitude as a researcher.

Ferdinando 'veltro' D'Amico

Skarphol · #2 01-13-2011, 07:18 PM

Threads like this one is the main reason that I keep reading this forum! Very interesting!

I do not completely agree with this though:

Quote:

Originally Posted by veltro205

...in no way that Bf 110 may have been a combat casualty: ...

The reason for scavenging parts of the Bf 110 is probably because it has been damaged beyond repair. The bullet holes in the fuselage indicates that it might be a victim of enemy action.
So it could well be the 325th FG who is responsible for the permanent grounding of this plane.

Skarphol

veltro205 · #3 01-13-2011, 07:31 PM

One of the "habits" of soldiers everywhere is to shoot at and loot wrecks of enemy material, so a few bullet holes or some bent metal foil - IMHO - does not add anything to the story.

HTH, all the best

Ferdinando 'veltro' D'Amico

Monguse · #4 01-13-2011, 07:54 PM

Veltro and Ferdinando glad you posted and helped clear things out.

waffen-79 · #5 01-13-2011, 08:10 PM

No expert here, granted, but reading post, following links and photos

That 110 wasn't shot down, it appears to be scavanged for spareparts and used later for gunnery practice

COULD have been strafed perhaps, but that's a concession

Zorin · #6 01-14-2011, 12:18 AM

1. If you take a little tour of the airfield with google streetview, you can pretty much match the background of the photo with the actual view. So yes, definitely Montecorvino.
2. There are no signs of a forced landing. Paint scratches, dirt/dust screen, or bend structures. All we know is that it was written off due to damages we can not disclose, being forced down due to enemy action being the least likely one though.
3. The damages we can see on the picture I would attibute to the retreating German forces trying to damage the aircraft beyond repair and vandalism of Allied troops.
4. As the airfield was used by units of the USAAF it is not unlikely to see 345th pilots to pay a visit. Especially the left behind Fw190s must have been of great interest.

Ltbear · #7 01-14-2011, 12:18 PM

Just glad to be correctet. Most of my info is from memory and a few books, so something all ways gets mixed up lol....

The mystery here is not about the location, im 100% convinced its monte-corvino and if you do as one of the posters did with google, you can match the location....

But the plane. I know i get bashed etc, but the plane with ID S9+MP is listet as a 110-E1 i know the bar etc, but if we want to be story nerds, we need to find out the type of plane and what happend to it.

It is deffently ZG1, it is deffently Italy between march and late August medio september

On the sources on the Internet there is no ME-110 with code S9+MP shot down in Italy entire 1943

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Luftwaffe loss list 1943 (Incomplete so no good, but give an Idea)

03.01.1943 6./NJG1 Messerschmitt Bf 110F-4 Wnr.4745 Oblt Wolf

09.01.1943 5./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.2406 Uffz Roth

17.01.1943 Stab./JG51 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-2 Wnr.2156 Major Nordmann

18.01.1943 7./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.5591 Uffz Schnabel

20.01.1943 2./JGr Sud Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4 Wnr.8523 Lt Dau

20.01.1943 4./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.1178 Fw Heiden

07.02.1943 6./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.5315 Fw Salz

16.02.1943 1./(F)123 Junkers Ju 88D-1 Wnr.1243 Fw Kunze

07/08.03.1943 9./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.5547 Ofw Ahrens

08.03.1943 1/KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.5526 Fw Vestewig

08.03.1943 2./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.4355 Fw Rossmann

11.03.1943 3./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.4541 Oblt Schneiderbauer

12 03.1943 2./KG6 Junkers Ju 88A-14 Wnr.4355 Uffz Grau

13.03.1943 5./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.5615 Ofw Meyer

16.03.1943 3./KG6 Junkers Ju 88 Wnr.4532 Uffz Diemer

23.03.1943 Stab/JG77 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6 Wnr.16381 Major Muencheberg

24/25.03.1943 5./KG6 Junkers Ju 88A-14 Wnr.144550 Oblt Rogge

25.03.1943 1/KG6 Junkers Ju 88A-14 Wnr.4354 Ofw Lang

25.03.1943 4./KG6 Junkers Ju 88A-14 Wnr.144537 Oblt Foerster

05.04.1943 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.7051 Hptm Geisshardt

11.04.1943 1./NJG1 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4 Wnr. 4881 Uffz Vogel

14.04.1943 7./JG2 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.0733 Uffz Armbruster

20.04.1943 Erg.St./StG.77 Junkers Ju 87R-1 Wnr.5444 Uffz Tremel

29.04.1943 4./(F)123 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Wnr.14764 Fw Quante

04.05.1943 3./JG27 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Wnr.16164 Uffz Doerrer

07.05.1943 6./JG5 Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4 Wnr.14802 Ofw Brunner

11.05.1943 3./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.1163 Lt Pleiss

16.05.1943 11./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.42399 Uffz Kaiser

22.05.1943 3/SKG10 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.52624 Uffz Kolz

23.05.1943 15./SKG 10 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.0189 Uffz Streich

23.05.1943 15/SKG10 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.50136 Uffz Schmidt

31.05.1943 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.57305 Fw Danneberg

01.06.1943 1./JG27 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Wnr.14889 Uffz Reuther

13.06.1943 5./(F)123 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Wnr.14910 Fw Sieker

16.06.1943 11./NJG3 Junkers Ju 88C-6 Wnr.360143 Uffz Hennecke

22.06.1943 4./(F)123 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Wnr.14907 Lt Klaven

07.07.1943 5./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.2393 Uffz Friedrich

08.07.1943 1./(F)120 Junkers Ju 88D-1 Wnr. 430670 Fw Roesch

13.07.1943 16./KG2 Messerschmitt Me 410A-1 Wnr.1238 Fw Zwissler

15.07.1943 6./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.57310 Uffz Schwarz1

23.07.1943 Wekusta 2 Junkers Ju 88D-1 Wnr.430030 Uffz Auschner

25/26.07.1943 Dornier Do 217K-1 Wnr.4412 Uffz Reuth

26.07.1943 5./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.4395 Uffz Colve

30.07.1943 6./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.57311 Ofw Mackenstedt

06.08.1943 6./NJG 2 Messerschmitt Bf110E-2 Wnr.2531 Fw Dörr

12.08.1943 1./(F)121 Junkers Ju 88D-1 Wnr.430564 Lt. Roehrer

17.08.1943 3./NJG1 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4 Wnr.5542 Uffz Neuner

22/23.08.1943 14./KG2 Messerschmitt Me 410A-1 Wnr.0228 Uffz Oertel

23.08.1943 9./JG26 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6 Wnr.20442 Lt Karl

24.08.1943 16./KG2 Messerschmitt Me 410A-1 Wnr.0287 Fw Benner

24.08.1943 15./KG2 Messerschmitt Me 410A-1 Wnr.420214 Hptm Schmitter

29.08.1943 6./KG2 Dornier Do 217E-4 Wnr.5587 Uffz Scheuffelen

31.08.1943 5./(F)123 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Wnr.14909 Fw Schiller

31.08.1943 5./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-6 Wnr.530118 Oblt Matoni

14.09.1943 4./(F)123 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-4 Wnr.19194 Oblt Wittmer

28.09.1943 4./NJG5 Messerschmitt Bf 110G Wnr.? Hptm Schienerer

03.10.1943 Stab III/NJG3 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4 Wnr.5560 Hptm Sigmund

04.10.1943 5./ZG76 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-3 Wnr.4906 Lt Metzen

04.10.1943 1./(F) 22 Junkers Ju 88D Wnr.1682 Lt.Hoss

07.10.1943 1./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.1900140 Lt Matthiesen

07.10.1943 Erg-Staffel/KG6 Junkers Ju 188E-1 Wnr.260204 Oblt Jung

14.10.1943 3./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-4 Wnr.5807 Uffz Richter

20.10.1943 2./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.5894 Uffz Kratzel

23.10.1943 4./KG30 Junkers Ju 88A-14 Wnr.550131 Uffz Krisam

01.11.1943 3./KG6 Junkers Ju 188E-1 Wnr.260198 Lt Reckin

05.11.1943 8./KG6 Junkers Ju 88S-1 Wnr.140583 Lt Bernhard

06.11.1943 3./SKG10 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.5823 Fw Pichler

08.11.1943 Stab/(F)122 Junkers Ju 88D-1 Wnr.430593 Major Orlowski

08.11.1943 15/KG2 Messerschmitt Me 410A-1 Wnr.10244 Major Schmitter2

11.11.1943 2./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190A-5 Wnr.1170 Uffz Spiegel

23.11.1943 2./NJG2 Junkers Ju 88C Wnr.750693 Ogfr Darge

26.11.1943 10./JG26 Focke Wulf Fw 190 Wnr.530769 Lt Fischer

26.11.43 6./JG27 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6 Wnr.160842 Gefr. Soentgerath

26.11.1943 Stab/JG11 Messerschmitt Bf 109G-5 Wnr.26112 Lt Weiroster

26.11.1943 1./(F)22 Junkers Ju 88D-1 Wnr.430052 Ofw Prüfert

02.12.1943 2./KG6 Junkers Ju 188 Wnr.260199 Fw Schwarz2

04.12.1943 KG2 Dornier 217M-1 Wnr. 40727 Lt. Kiendl

21.12.1943 2./NJG3 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4 Wnr.6283 Fw Rösner

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What we know

There was a ME-110E1 with the code S9+MP

It did belong to ZG1

ZG1 was in Italy in 1943

Location of the "wreck" is Monte-corvino

What we would like to know

What realy happend to the plane

Why is there a model diffrence between the scarse sources (S9+MP ME-110 E1) and the G model apearence on the photos

Was ME-110E1 S9+MP Upgraded to G standard??

Who was the last pilot / Crew

lol....this plane is bugging me and i will dedicate abit time doing the weekend to look into this. Somewhere there must be information about a ME-110 with the code S9+MP lmao....

Let the internet Indiana Jone`ses loose...dadadadaaaa dadadaaaaa

All have a great weekend
LTbear