Friday 2010-11-19 Dev. update and Discussion

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Welcome to England Bitches, You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

LOL!

It made me laugh, anyway.....That's the Spirit Bonny lad! Think someones been raiding the 'Babycham' cupboard.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by matsher

I can't stand the thought of having to put in hundreds of rifle rounds into a Nazi machine only to do some interior redecorating.

I know what you mean, while we want a historically accurate sim, we also want a balanced game. If the German aircraft had air to air missiles in WWII the Battle of Britain wouldn't have lasted long, and a game of it would be too one sided and pointless. But in the real BoB, Germany lost a lot more aircraft than Britain, so if it is historically accurate, your guns won't just be doing decorating. I appreciate that the German tactics were poor, and us gamers won't make those same mistakes in our 109s, but even so.

Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

Lol

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

Some of you're taking it just too personal, I guess

Personal! You killed my family!

I'm kidding, lighten up, he was just having a laugh about crazy ammunition in his fighter, and being aggressive towards some imaginary bomber. Instead of 8 .303's he wants 8 Vulcan Gatling guns. That’s clearly having a laugh and not being personal.

[Richie]

It's funny that's the last thing I think of my 109.....a Nazi machine. I think the higher ups were nothing but an irritating puzzlement and source of amusement to all of the Jagdgeschwader commanders and their pilots.

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by Richie

It's funny that's the last thing I think of my 109.....a Nazi machine. I think the higher ups were nothing but an irritating puzzlement and source of amusement to all of the Jagdgeschwader commanders and their pilots.

Interesting pov ...

[Avimimus]

It certainly didn't keep them from following orders and killing a lot of people.

But, as for satisfaction - there is something about having to memorize the location of the enemy's fuel tanks - or gradually weaken and cripple the enemy over several runs (both more chivralic and your opponent knows that they are beaten). I personally moved beyond the Mk-108 many years ago (back on SWOTL) in preference to longer and closer fights. However, I can certainly see the appeal of the occasional fireball.

[He111]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Precisely, which is what angers me so much about idiotic viewpoints like He111 expressed. The cost to the UK to fight Germany was a massive price, and I'm not talking about money alone. When I look back on it after hearing these sorts of comments a part of me just asks why we just didn't bother and let Hitler cut up Poland for good while we made hay from it all instead. Of course there was so much evil going on that would've been morally contemptible so not withstanding the political position of a strong German empire we did what was right - but it's not enough for some Poles, they are bitter about why we didn't do anything about Stalins massive army Ultimately Poland was simply a weak nation that we stood by as best we could. Maybe if the Poland weren't so keen on handing themselves a Baltic port after WW1 and carving Germany in two and upsetting their other neighbours by taking their territory from 1918-21 then perhaps they would've been bypassed in the first place.

What idiotic viewpoints? that Poland should have been allowed to march in the Victory parade? or that Osprey is a IL2 troll who thinks he knows better than anyones else even when he misinterprets posts? Anyway it wasn't my viewpoint, it was the view of the documentary, which i accepted as accurate. Although i should have realised Osprey knows more about WW2 than any documentary maker!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by He111

What idiotic viewpoints? that Poland should have been allowed to march in the Victory parade? or that Osprey is a IL2 troll who thinks he knows better than anyones else even when he misinterprets posts? Anyway it wasn't my viewpoint, it was the view of the documentary, which i accepted as accurate. Although i should have realised Osprey knows more about WW2 than any documentary maker!

I simply reacted to your post declaring that Poland was betrayed by her Allies after Polish pilots excelled in the BoB. You cited no reference to a TV program nor mentioned anything to do with a victory parade.

And I do get rather tired of this fallacy that somehow Polish pilots were way better than all of the other nations in the BoB. Or is it years of line shooting on their behalf that has distorted the facts of the matter, or are they some sort of master race?

Just as a reminder here's what you wrote:

Originally Posted by He111

Polish Sqn 303 (not to be confussed with the gun) were famous for setting their guns at 100 yards and shooting germans down in quick order at that range. There was a doco done, poles were shafted in more ways than one in that war especially by allies!

Sorry Luke, I just feel like a good argument this weekend

[Richie]

I feel bad for that poor little rabbit

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Osprey

And I do get rather tired of this fallacy that somehow Polish pilots were way better than all of the other nations in the BoB. Or is it years of line shooting on their behalf that has distorted the facts of the matter, or are they some sort of master race?

Well the stories told say they just seriously hated the Germans because of what had happened to their country and did not see the air war as a "chivalrous" battle. They fought ruthlessly, took huge personal risks and had little regard for their own safety, often disobeyed orders to get a kill, pursued any damaged aircraft relentlessly making sure they were destroyed, showed no mercy. They were not after glory they just wanted to kill as many Germans as possible.

How true those stories are, who can tell these days.

[AndyJWest]

...I do get rather tired of this fallacy that somehow Polish pilots were way better than all of the other nations in the BoB

Not entirely a fallacy. The Poles, along with Czechoslovaks, made a significant contribution to the BoB:

[The RAF was] bolstered by the arrival of fresh Czechoslovak and Polish squadrons. These had been held back by Dowding, who mistakenly thought non-English speaking aircrew would have trouble working within his control system. However, Polish and Czech fliers proved to be especially effective. The pre-war Polish Air Force had lengthy and extensive training, and high standards; with Poland conquered and under brutal German occupation, the pilots of No. 303 (Polish) Squadron, the highest-scoring Allied unit, were strongly motivated. Josef František, a Czech regular airman who had flown from the occupation of his own country to join the Polish and then French air forces before arriving in Britain, flew as a guest of 303 Squadron and was ultimately credited with the highest "RAF score" in the Battle of Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...n_contribution

This contribution is well documented, in numerous reliable sources.