Friday 2010-11-19 Dev. update and Discussion

[JAMF]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

-1 for a US spelling version. I don't think we should ask the developers to have to make adjustments for every country. It's a little desperate when you start to rely on fighting games to educate your country.

Looks like the message got across, even without a sarcasm smiley.

Originally Posted by Osprey

I'll go with that as long as when they do Pearl Harbour and the Pacific it's all in Queens English

IIRC locations are exempt from spelling corrections, in such cases.

In my 'neighbourhood' we do have quite a few cities that have their own name in French/German/Dutch:
Bastogne / Bastenach / Bastenaken
Liege / Luttich / Luik
Aix-Chapelle / Aachen / Aken

Two language names are much more common.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Hecke

Looks like the He-111 has painted damage on its wings.
Hopefully this will not be in final

How tf do you know if it's a texture overlay or indeed calculate?
You may not like the apearance, no problem with that.

but this:

because painted damage is from the last century and you've already shown that "real" damage is possible.

...is the fastest way to turn this thread into another flame war.
last century": What do you know about PC in the last century?
You were 6.
Also, the comparison is sooooo not needed!
You can dislike it, no prob - but you dont have to unload additional ordnance just to make sure we know you really dont like it.

And last but not least: Honestly I don't know if its possible at all.
Just think of two shoot up B29 plus a few P47, all of them can take a crapload of damage.
Then there are another 30 or so online players, all with less to none damage at all.
I have serious doubts even top-end pc could handle all this without turning it into a slideshow.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by He111

What are you raving about toss-pot? It was all in the doco, at the end of the war when all the allies marched in Victory celebrations, the Poles were not allowed to, thanks to Churchill who was scared of annoying the soviets. It's very sad that the Poles proved themselves more than adequate in the BOB but few are willing to acknowledge that! You have a serious attitude problem.

What is this doco you refer to? And who doesn't recognise how good the Poles were in the BoB - they were among the best pilots with the most experience, and anyone in Britain who knows anything about the war is aware of that (have you seen the film BoB?).

What exactly are you suggesting that Churchill did wrong?

[winny]

Originally Posted by Sutts

Thanks Setback, another cracking shot I've never seen before. Just shows how ineffective hitting the rear fuselage can prove to be.

I wonder how easy it was to set the wing tanks ablaze in the He 111? I recently read a wartime report somewhere (could have been posted here) stating that something like 1 in 10 .303 incendiary rounds would ignite a self sealing fuel tank. I'd always believed previously that an HE round was required to open a hole up in the tank and expose the fuel to the air to allow ignition. Maybe the tanks took a few minutes to seal allowing some fuel to be exposed to the incendiary effects?

Interesting stuff.

The RAF did some tests in 1940 to see why they were failing to down bombers.

The problem was that the small bullets fired by the RAF's MGs could not carry enough incendiary or explosive to guarantee success, and also had insufficient penetration to defeat armour reliably.

Ground tests carried out by the British, firing at an old Bristol Blenheim from 180 m to the rear with various British and German guns and ammunition, revealed that the .303 incendiary B Mk VI bullets would set light to a Blenheim wing tank with only one hit in five; during the Battle only one or two of the eight guns were normally loaded with this ammunition. Other .303 and 7.92 mm incendiaries were only half as effective.

Both German and British armour-piercing rounds could penetrate up to 12 mm of armour plate if fired directly at it from 180 m, most of the bullets were deflected or tumbled by first passing through the fuselage skin or structure. As a consequence, only a quarter to a third of the bullets reached the Blenheim's 4 mm-thick armour plate at all, and very few penetrated it.

There are loads of reports of German bombers comming home with over 200 bullet holes. The 8 x .303 were more effective against fighters.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

What is this doco you refer to? And who doesn't recognise how good the Poles were in the BoB - they were among the best pilots with the most experience, and anyone in Britain who knows anything about the war is aware of that (have you seen the film BoB?).

What exactly are you suggesting that Churchill did wrong?

Not wanting to inflame yet another slanging match, but I saw the documentary. It was part of a series showing the importance of the participation of foreign nationals in many of Britain's conflicts throughout history. Quite well done and informative.

It discussed the diplomatic embarrassment of Churchill, having commited in 1940 to restoring all European borders and governments, being unable to do so in the case of the subsequent 'Eastern Bloc' including Poland.
He's correct in that the Poles were not allowed to participate in the Victory marches, in spite of their outstanding contribution to the overall victory.
A sad circumstance brought about by diplomatic failures. I don't think He111 suggested that the Cold War should have been warmed up a bit, just that it was sad about the ignoring of the Poles at the parades.

I also don't think anyone with any knowledge of WWII worth speaking of would either underestimate or belittle the Poles from any perspective.

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

Originally Posted by JAMF

Looks like the message got across, even without a sarcasm smiley.


IIRC locations are exempt from spelling corrections, in such cases.

In my 'neighbourhood' we do have quite a few cities that have their own name in French/German/Dutch:
Bastogne / Bastenach / Bastenaken
Liege / Luttich / Luik
Aix-Chapelle / Aachen / Aken

Two language names are much more common.

you're from where again?

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

It discussed the diplomatic embarrassment of Churchill, having commited in 1940 to restoring all European borders and governments, being unable to do so in the case of the subsequent 'Eastern Bloc' including Poland.
He's correct in that the Poles were not allowed to participate in the Victory marches, in spite of their outstanding contribution to the overall victory.
A sad circumstance brought about by diplomatic failures.

Ah, you mean the Poles living in Britain. It's a bit of an understatement that the poles got a bad deal in general, but I think complaining about Churchill is just a bit silly. He didn't have to declare war on Germany at all, he could have easily remained neutral, along with a bundle of other European nations. It would have been better for the British people (less death, less destruction, less hardship, more money). It's difficlut to overstate how stupid British diplomats were following the war, footing such a large bill for it all.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Ah, you mean the Poles living in Britain. It's a bit of an understatement that the poles got a bad deal in general, but I think complaining about Churchill is just a bit silly. He didn't have to declare war on Germany at all, he could have easily remained neutral, along with a bundle of other European nations. It would have been better for the British people (less death, less destruction, less hardship, more money). It's difficlut to overstate how stupid British diplomats were following the war, footing such a large bill for it all.

Well, actually it wasn't Churchill who declared war, it was Chamberlain, although Churchill had advocated gearing up for action since before the re-militarisation of the Rhineland.
I'd say the Allied diplomats were stymied, rather than stupid, but you're certainly correct about us 'footing the bill'.
On the other hand 'victory at all costs, no matter how long and hard the road may be' may have included the financial cost, which of course bankrupted the Empire Churchill loved so much. A price he was prepared to pay to see the downfall of 'a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue of human crime'.
Thinking about the society we now 'enjoy', I often wonder what he'd think of it.

[JAMF]

Originally Posted by 1.JaVA_Sharp

you're from where again?

Limboland. Het zuid-oosten van Limburg.

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

Originally Posted by JAMF

Limboland. Het zuid-oosten van Limburg.

LOL!, redelijk kleine wereld dan als je bedenkt dat ik in zuidwest limboland zit.