Friday 2010-11-19 Dev. update and Discussion

[swiss]

I hope you're just drunk.

But know you mention it, a few rapid fire Bk3.7 in FW190 would be cool to have, those B17 are pita to shoot down. lol

[Les]

Originally Posted by matsher

As much as I am a fan of realism, tonight I am in LaLa land (So please indulge me)
I can't stand the thought of having to put in hundreds of rifle rounds into a Nazi machine only to do some interior redecorating. These wonderful historical pictures make me mad just looking at them. I want to have the Deep satisfaction of seeing the wings sheer off, huge explosions, fireballs and mayhem.

All these fantastic screenshots are really getting my blood up...
I want to customize my spit into a pimped out hell machine, Instead of my 8 .303's I want 8 Vulcan Gatling guns ( Yeah, thats right, 48 barrels of screaming allied death)

Now before all you guys get all like, he's soooo unreasonable, I am prepared to compromise... The Vulcan's might be asking a wee bit too much, so to show you that I am a totally reasonable psychotic, I am prepared to settle for 8 of those cute little Cobra Gatling 3 barrel 20mm numbers. I don't think thats asking too much.



Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

Thanks, rant over - La La land is a great place to be ...
This is what happens when you watch "hottub Time Machine"
and then read the weekly updates...

La la land or not, you do raise the point, inadvertently perhaps, that the new series will be openly moddable to a great extent.

A sufficiently motivated individual or group could make jet-powered flying out-houses if they wanted to. The scope is wide open for outright fantasy mods. Whatever you can imagine. Flying cars, Snoopy and the Red Barron, X-wings and Tie-fighters, UFO's, laser-firing rocket-powered bi-planes, cartoon planes shooting marshmallows at witches on broomsticks, you name it.

It seems most of us, most of the time, are so wrapped up in our preferred range of interests we forget the potential mods and products that could be spun out of what Oleg and his team are putting together here.

I wouldn't play them myself, but I think it'd be great to see sales of the overall series increased through projects like that. Pure arcade xxxx, or outright kids stuff aimed literally at four year olds. Bring it on.

No need for it to interfere with the sort of stuff we're into here, and it can only be good if it increases overall sales of the base product or engine.

Anyway, just sayin.

[Foo'bar]

Originally Posted by matsher

Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

Some of you're taking it just too personal, I guess

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Welcome to England Bitches, You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

LOL!

It made me laugh, anyway.....That's the Spirit Bonny lad! Think someones been raiding the 'Babycham' cupboard.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by matsher

I can't stand the thought of having to put in hundreds of rifle rounds into a Nazi machine only to do some interior redecorating.

I know what you mean, while we want a historically accurate sim, we also want a balanced game. If the German aircraft had air to air missiles in WWII the Battle of Britain wouldn't have lasted long, and a game of it would be too one sided and pointless. But in the real BoB, Germany lost a lot more aircraft than Britain, so if it is historically accurate, your guns won't just be doing decorating. I appreciate that the German tactics were poor, and us gamers won't make those same mistakes in our 109s, but even so.

Lets see if those swarms of He-111's can get passed 24000 rounds per minute of HE cannon shells - Welcome to England Bitches You're cleared for immediate landing at your nearest convenient hedgerow.

Lol

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

Some of you're taking it just too personal, I guess

Personal! You killed my family!

I'm kidding, lighten up, he was just having a laugh about crazy ammunition in his fighter, and being aggressive towards some imaginary bomber. Instead of 8 .303's he wants 8 Vulcan Gatling guns. That’s clearly having a laugh and not being personal.

[He111]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Precisely, which is what angers me so much about idiotic viewpoints like He111 expressed. The cost to the UK to fight Germany was a massive price, and I'm not talking about money alone. When I look back on it after hearing these sorts of comments a part of me just asks why we just didn't bother and let Hitler cut up Poland for good while we made hay from it all instead. Of course there was so much evil going on that would've been morally contemptible so not withstanding the political position of a strong German empire we did what was right - but it's not enough for some Poles, they are bitter about why we didn't do anything about Stalins massive army Ultimately Poland was simply a weak nation that we stood by as best we could. Maybe if the Poland weren't so keen on handing themselves a Baltic port after WW1 and carving Germany in two and upsetting their other neighbours by taking their territory from 1918-21 then perhaps they would've been bypassed in the first place.

What idiotic viewpoints? that Poland should have been allowed to march in the Victory parade? or that Osprey is a IL2 troll who thinks he knows better than anyones else even when he misinterprets posts? Anyway it wasn't my viewpoint, it was the view of the documentary, which i accepted as accurate. Although i should have realised Osprey knows more about WW2 than any documentary maker!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by He111

What idiotic viewpoints? that Poland should have been allowed to march in the Victory parade? or that Osprey is a IL2 troll who thinks he knows better than anyones else even when he misinterprets posts? Anyway it wasn't my viewpoint, it was the view of the documentary, which i accepted as accurate. Although i should have realised Osprey knows more about WW2 than any documentary maker!

I simply reacted to your post declaring that Poland was betrayed by her Allies after Polish pilots excelled in the BoB. You cited no reference to a TV program nor mentioned anything to do with a victory parade.

And I do get rather tired of this fallacy that somehow Polish pilots were way better than all of the other nations in the BoB. Or is it years of line shooting on their behalf that has distorted the facts of the matter, or are they some sort of master race?

Just as a reminder here's what you wrote:

Originally Posted by He111

Polish Sqn 303 (not to be confussed with the gun) were famous for setting their guns at 100 yards and shooting germans down in quick order at that range. There was a doco done, poles were shafted in more ways than one in that war especially by allies!

Sorry Luke, I just feel like a good argument this weekend

[Richie]

I feel bad for that poor little rabbit

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Osprey

And I do get rather tired of this fallacy that somehow Polish pilots were way better than all of the other nations in the BoB. Or is it years of line shooting on their behalf that has distorted the facts of the matter, or are they some sort of master race?

Well the stories told say they just seriously hated the Germans because of what had happened to their country and did not see the air war as a "chivalrous" battle. They fought ruthlessly, took huge personal risks and had little regard for their own safety, often disobeyed orders to get a kill, pursued any damaged aircraft relentlessly making sure they were destroyed, showed no mercy. They were not after glory they just wanted to kill as many Germans as possible.

How true those stories are, who can tell these days.

[AndyJWest]

...I do get rather tired of this fallacy that somehow Polish pilots were way better than all of the other nations in the BoB

Not entirely a fallacy. The Poles, along with Czechoslovaks, made a significant contribution to the BoB:

[The RAF was] bolstered by the arrival of fresh Czechoslovak and Polish squadrons. These had been held back by Dowding, who mistakenly thought non-English speaking aircrew would have trouble working within his control system. However, Polish and Czech fliers proved to be especially effective. The pre-war Polish Air Force had lengthy and extensive training, and high standards; with Poland conquered and under brutal German occupation, the pilots of No. 303 (Polish) Squadron, the highest-scoring Allied unit, were strongly motivated. Josef František, a Czech regular airman who had flown from the occupation of his own country to join the Polish and then French air forces before arriving in Britain, flew as a guest of 303 Squadron and was ultimately credited with the highest "RAF score" in the Battle of Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...n_contribution

This contribution is well documented, in numerous reliable sources.