Friday 2010-10-29 Dev. update and Discussion

[JVM]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

No, this is the same 3d object. But on the lower picture, the usual normal (or bump) map is used as a displacement map in conjunction with the tesselation. Which, basically, produces the new 3D object "on the fly".

The thing is, however, that this is hardly of any use in flightsim (appart from the cockpit model and water visual effects), since from the distance, a player usually see other objects in-game, the normal map works as good, as this feature.

PS On a second thought, this feature also can be used for finer ground surface generation, where even a small bumps can be modeled.

If tessellation can be "activated " function of viewing distance it would add a lot of "lifelikeness" to objects like rail ballast and sleepers, road sides, craters, generally man-made objects like houses, buildings...maybe without taxing too much FPS!
I hope professional 3D people will be able to enlighten us sooner or later ...

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Just a bit of sarcasm.

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But no, I did not fight in the war but then I would never attempt to justifiy that I did. and me saying 'I was' is not me trying to lead you on.

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Give it up. Any credibility you thought you had is totally evaporated.

[fireflyerz]

YAAAAWWWWNNNNN, give it a rest will ya, its history....move on...Jeez

[BadAim]

Some of us give military service more weight than others, that's all Jafa. I didn't take Phil seriously before that statement, but others might have, so it's easy to see some emotions might be aroused.

I think I actually kind of understand what Phil could have meant, in that us amateur historians really do get a sense of having been there, through reading about experiences of others, and through the study of the backdrop and circumstances of these events.

Originally Posted by Old_Canuck

Give it up. Any credibility you thought you had is totally evaporated.

Said the 25-45 year old virgin typing furiously in his mother's basement, waiting for her to bring down his din-din and explain this foreign concept of sarcasm and humour to his Aspergers riddled mind.

Grow up and get a freaking life.

All of us who have socialized in our lives (gone to that big scary room on the other side of your front door) and talked to people knew it was a joke. I especially knew that phillip was joking about being a BOB pilot since I was actually there in 1940 and I don't remember him.

p.s. I'm Douglas bader!

[fireflyerz]

Originally Posted by BadAim

Some of us give military service more weight than others, that's all Jafa. I didn't take Phil seriously before that statement, but others might have, so it's easy to see some emotions might be aroused.

I think I actually kind of understand what Phil could have meant, in that us amateur historians really do get a sense of having been there, through reading about experiences of others, and through the study of the backdrop and circumstances of these events.

BadAim, only said it in the respect that its been said enough times already and im shure if there is a message to get hes already got it, ive known phil for a couple of years now and he likes to lark arround so cut him some slack cos we were all that age once, ps he knows I hang arround here too and that I wouldnt stand for that crap either if he was trying to pass it off as real.

[Dano]

It was quite clearly an off the cuff quip with no basis in fact, how anybody could take it otherwise I just don't know.

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

No, this is the same 3d object. But on the lower picture, the usual normal (or bump) map is used as a displacement map in conjunction with the tesselation. Which, basically, produces the new 3D object "on the fly".

The thing is, however, that this is hardly of any use in flightsim (appart from the cockpit model and water visual effects), since from the distance, a player usually see other objects in-game, the normal map works as good, as this feature.

PS On a second thought, this feature also can be used for finer ground surface generation, where even a small bumps can be modeled.

Oleg also mentioned that hedgerows might be 'mapped' in some way to give a 3D look, without having to model them. Bomb hole craters too maybe (as has been mentioned in this thread).

The picture: They are the same, but of course the model must be mapped in the correct way for the 3D effect to show...that is the wonder of this new graphics technology. It causes a lot less demand on your system than actual polygon modelling.
I think you need a dX11 compatible graphics card to enjoy the benefits of it.

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by JVM

If tessellation can be "activated " function of viewing distance it would add a lot of "lifelikeness" to objects like rail ballast and sleepers, road sides, craters, generally man-made objects like houses, buildings...maybe without taxing too much FPS!
I hope professional 3D people will be able to enlighten us sooner or later ...

I think SaQSoN is a professional.
Yes, I was also thinking of the railways...beaches (stones...rocks), cliffs. Even façades of bigger object buildings.

[Flanker35M]

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Tessellation is good for FPS games IMHO. Look at Metro 2033 and with high tessellation aka all DirectX 11 gimmicks on it brings to it's knees ANY of the new graphics cards. Really would you see from your 300mph+ speeding Spitfire or Hurricane cockpit if the stones of the railway would be bumped or not?

I really think tessellation could be dropped out of a flight sim that taxes the system hard enough without any more gimmicks to strain it even more. Sure, if an option for the screenie guys then sure, go for it. But if had to choose with it on at a 200+ plane engagement with decent FPS or horrbile FPS..no thanks.

Just my .2cents.