Friday 2010-10-29 Dev. update and Discussion

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Dano

Luverrrrly, bloomin marvelous to see it running so smooth

Just one question: What's the odd thing above the trees on the right of the first pic?

An umbrella.

[jocko417]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Very nice mate It's great to see that SoW has basically the same road-layouts. This will be great for navigation.

You know, it's funny, I've been watching all the development shots with interest but when I saw the map it just floored me. The map in the Il-2 series always seemed a little cartoon-ish, but this one is quite realistic.

You can't see the detail in the real map due to the crappy camera but it has the Thames has the same water texture drawn on it that the game map does.

It's these little details that are going to make this sim something to treasure.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

No, do a google search for it, if you wish.
The RAF used tracer rounds, but these weren't meant to inflict damage and were not like bullets. They were belted in the same way, though.

Color tracer markings are just markings. The tracer is inside the bullet anyway and this bullet may do a damage... At least for 1940. Or you say that the "self flying body-traccer" with small weigt has the same trajectory like a bullet without burning tracer inside? Just think about. Or I didn't understand....

The tracer bullet is analogy of the rocket engine, with a tiny small if any thrust.

[szala11]

The engine sound is pretty good I think, I also liked the sound of wind. It has a very good WW2 feeling. Thank you Oleg for this great artwork.

[kedrednael]

Originally Posted by Hecke

Nothing wrong with that, but it's all about programming.
Computers have permanently developed better and better since the last 9 years. But SoW BoB doensn't look like 9 years better than IL-2.
Anyway, I can't wait to get my hands on that before christmas.

You say il2 is 9 years old, but I'm sure you are comparing the WIP SOW BOB to il2 1946 4.09m on perfect mode with modded maps, and that's not 9 years old.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

No, do a google search for it, if you wish.
The RAF used tracer rounds, but these weren't meant to inflict damage and were not like bullets. They were belted in the same way, though.

Just to get back to the topic, you say those special tracer rounds did carry a smoke trail compared to modern tracers due to their different design?

I did a quick check, but couldn't find anything about those projectiles.

From the ballistic point of view, the tracers have to be as close as possible to the other rounds - that means same aerodynamics, same mass. Otherwise their flightpath is too different which would make them useless.
Mass is a problem as they burn much it during flight(lose energy), so, the longer the distance fly, they less mass they have, the bigger the difference where the tracers hit compared to other kinds of ammo.

I would think they are made of lead and copper/brass/steel too.

And you're right, they inflict less damage than conventional rounds as they have less energy, the further the target, the worse the energy loss.

[Il2Pongo]

Originally Posted by swiss

small caliber bullets with a smoke trail?

The Mg51 on my Tank sure never left a smoke trail.

Could be due to to modern powder?

If you look at gunnery film from the period you will see what smoke he means.
I am not sure if it is an artifact of slow motion..but they do seem to smoke.
But your correct, I have fired 1000s of rounds(7.62) from the same browning used in the Hurricane, and the tracers leave no smoke that you could see in operation.

Oleg, fantastic, thanks.

[winny]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Not sure on the Luftwaffe, but the RAF used tracer rounds; not tracers inside bullets. These were not bullets, and they could not inflict any realy damage. The tracers themselves only gave a rough idea of where the bullets fell.
Sorry if I'm not making myself clear...

The RAF did use tracer rounds but they were bullets.

Left to Right:

Tracer, Armour piercing and incendiary.



all of these are .303 rounds used by the RAF

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by kedrednael

You say il2 is 9 years old, but I'm sure you are comparing the WIP SOW BOB to il2 1946 4.09m on perfect mode with modded maps, and that's not 9 years old.

That's what i though as well.

SoW does look 9 years better than IL2, the original IL2.
IL2:1946 is not 9 years older than SoW and carries a load of improvements.

I'm sure that after the 4th-5h SoW add-on and as improvements are implemented, it will look 9 years better than IL2:1946

What i'm trying to say is, i doubt the engine is running full tilt because there's no PC that can do it yet, just like it was with IL2. So, comparing 1946 to WiP SoW is comparing an engine that runs at the top of its capabilities with an engine that runs in testing mode...hardly an accurate way to measure things.

[smink1701]

Just curious...in the vid (thanks again) the detail is photo-realistic but when the view turns to the right showing the wing, the detail is not so great. Just wondering why?