Let's Play with Orcs

[Metathron]

What's the point of +10 morale, I wonder, if morale bonuses max out at +3?

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Metathron

What's the point of +10 morale, I wonder, if morale bonuses max out at +3?

To nullify the negative morale effects of negative status, hence guarantee full morale.

e.g. I would LOSE my 100% critical hit rating with my Hunters whenever they burned and poisoned me.

Two negative status effects makes you lose 2 bits of morale.

Once my orc units kills, it will not matter how many de-buffs are on him. He will have full morale and FULLY benefit from the critical bonuses.

[Metathron]

Then they should've made it +5, not +10.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Metathron

Then they should've made it +5, not +10.

Why? +10 ensures nearly no way to lose High Morale status. +5, does not.

Burning, poisoned, helpnessness, bleeding, pygmy, cursed, etc...

The point is to never feed the orcs. The basis of the power of Adrenaline in Crossworlds, and the morale thing was around back in Armored Princess. I guess no one feared them that much once they got near max magical resistance.

[BB Shockwave]

No, "Expecting Trophies" is also new to Crossworlds. In AP, Orcs got +1 Morale if your army was composed of only Orcs, that was all.

I am not against Morale increase, but it makes using Morale-granting items or investing in the Persuasion skill useless if you get +10 morale once you kill the first weak enemy summoned Thorn stack, or so.

IMHO, there should be some anti-adrenaline spells or abilities. Like, the Death Cloud of the Necromancer should sap -10 Adrenaline per hit, or the Oblivion of the Fairies/Sprites should also leech adrenaline. Just giving you a fair advantage against orcs (or, making your life more challenging if you are using them).

[Metathron]

Originally Posted by ckdamascus

Why? +10 ensures nearly no way to lose High Morale status. +5, does not.

Burning, poisoned, helpnessness, bleeding, pygmy, cursed, etc...

Isn't it so that 2 or more negative effects give a total of -2 morale, not -1 for each negative effect? That's why I said +5 morale -2 morale = still +3 morale.

[Metathron]

Originally Posted by ckdamascus

Why? +10 ensures nearly no way to lose High Morale status. +5, does not.

Burning, poisoned, helpnessness, bleeding, pygmy, cursed, etc...

Isn't it so that 2 or more negative effects give a total of -2 morale, not -1 for each negative effect? That's why I said +5 morale -2 morale = still +3 morale.

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

No, "Expecting Trophies" is also new to Crossworlds. In AP, Orcs got +1 Morale if your army was composed of only Orcs, that was all.

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember this ability from before, at least with the original ogre unit, if not the whole race...

[BB Shockwave]

Originally Posted by Metathron

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember this ability from before, at least with the original ogre unit, if not the whole race...

I re-loaded an old save, and you are right - it was present there, and yes, it gave +10 morale back then too. I just never had any of my stacks, not even summoned ones, getting killed by Orcs to notice.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Metathron

Isn't it so that 2 or more negative effects give a total of -2 morale, not -1 for each negative effect? That's why I said +5 morale -2 morale = still +3 morale.

Oh? I thought negative morale keeps stacking. I'm not sure.

Even so, if you were using demons and undead with the orcs (any other negative racial modifier), you could start with -3 morale or something even worse, PLUS negative status, and then kill... to regain High Morale.

I think it opens up some interesting possibilities. My orc team has certainly enjoyed it. It also gave me some ideas on a demonic team as well since the Pentagram gives a +2 morale bonus. Hmmmm 100% critical demons?

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by Metathron

What's the point of +10 morale, I wonder, if morale bonuses max out at +3?

-2 negative effects
-2 undead
-1 demon
-1 curse

You can actually stack up quite a few. I think 10 was a good 'fire and forget' number. It'd be hard for someone to accidentally get them down from that.