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Old 09-15-2010, 04:45 PM
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Reading up on the situation regarding the five attacks on Port Stanley during “Thatchers War” I find that the Argentinians state that two where killed and two injured. And one hole in the runway, easily patched up the next day.
So that is the final score for this war-bird. Not sure whether that is a success or a failure for the UK taxpayers money.
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Ah yes, but the fact that Argentina realised that the bombers could get there had a huge psychological impact on the occupying forces.
Also, Argentina realised that their Homeland was within range, and redeployed their air defence fighters to Northern Argentina, to defend against an attack which never took place.
This meant that the UK's carrier based air defence fighters could take on the Argentinian strike aircraft without worrying too much about enemy fighters.
You have to see the bigger picture in this respect.
The damage by the bomb itself did prevent use by fast jets, the repair was inadequate and one transport aircraft almost crashed on take-off as the repair kept subsiding.
It's a fascinating story, whichever side of the fence you're inclined to sit on.

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Old 09-15-2010, 05:12 PM
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Viking, you lack a long term global perspective.

You cherry pick your facts to suit your personal agenda.

Would you be happier in a Russian Communist dominated Europe?

Would you even be able to post on a site like this.

Think man.
1 No! I dont!
2 No! The facts sutch as.....? Please explain.
3 Yes! Over a US dominated EU. Sure!
4 Yes! Whitout doubt.
5 I am! I dont think you are!

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Old 09-15-2010, 05:28 PM
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”Also, Argentina realised that their Homeland was within range, and redeployed their air defence fighters to Northern Argentina, to defend against an attack which never took place.”


This is contradicted in the official text easily found in Wikipedia that states “

Argentine sources were originally the source of claims that the Vulcan raids influenced Argentina to withdraw some of its Mirage IIIs from Southern Argentina to the Buenos Aires Defence Zone.[26][27][28] This dissuasive effect was however watered down when British officials made clear that there would be no strikes on air bases in Argentina.[29”

I wasn't there so I don't know!

There is no doubt in my mind that the whole war was a sideshow from the junta to keep going for a few years more. But....what the h@ck is GB doing with an island this far far from the home land? Smacks of imperialism if you ask me! But off course you wont do that!

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”Also, Argentina realised that their Homeland was within range, and redeployed their air defence fighters to Northern Argentina, to defend against an attack which never took place.”


This is contradicted in the official text easily found in Wikipedia that states “

Argentine sources were originally the source of claims that the Vulcan raids influenced Argentina to withdraw some of its Mirage IIIs from Southern Argentina to the Buenos Aires Defence Zone.[26][27][28] This dissuasive effect was however watered down when British officials made clear that there would be no strikes on air bases in Argentina.[29”

I wasn't there so I don't know!

There is no doubt in my mind that the whole war was a sideshow from the junta to keep going for a few years more. But....what the h@ck is GB doing with an island this far far from the home land? Smacks of imperialism if you ask me! But off course you wont do that!

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That doesn't contradict what I said at all!!
If you check the statistics of how many Argentinian aircraft were downed, and how many Sea Harriers were lost, it's fairly obvious that Argentina's Air Defence fighters weren't there much!

I agree with the 'sideshow' issue though. Galtieri needed to up his popularity at home, and as it happens so did our then Prime Miinister, who's name I like to forget.
As to imperialism, well we did have the largest empire in the history of the world in the dim and distant past, so we're not immune from imperialist thought, but the population of the Falklands consider themselves British, and the British tend to defend themselves.
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Old 09-15-2010, 05:59 PM
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True!
true and true!

The Falkland (Malvinas) nut will be a hard one for the future gens to crack.
They have allways been and will presumable alwas be Brits there ( who else will even consider living there? ) I think the whole situation will be defused and regulated by trade agrements regarding oil etc.

Hopfully yours

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Old 09-15-2010, 07:09 PM
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True!
true and true!

The Falkland (Malvinas) nut will be a hard one for the future gens to crack.
They have allways been and will presumable alwas be Brits there ( who else will even consider living there? ) I think the whole situation will be defused and regulated by trade agrements regarding oil etc.

Hopfully yours

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Old 09-15-2010, 07:41 PM
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1 No! I dont!
2 No! The facts sutch as.....? Please explain.
3 Yes! Over a US dominated EU. Sure!
4 Yes! Whitout doubt.
5 I am! I dont think you are!

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And this is the same person a while back who wanted to see Americans die tragically:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...11&postcount=2

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...24&postcount=4

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Viking must be all of 16 and not fully aware.

Grow up son.
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Old 09-16-2010, 12:14 AM
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This is your wake up call!

ElAurens wrote ”Would you even be able to post on a site like this.”.

Well, this is a Russian site, isn't it?

You are stuck in the wrong century! Seems to me that the world is changing but the Americans are not.

Btw I was born in 1951.

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Old 09-16-2010, 12:52 AM
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Well, there you go again, cherry picking my words, quite the sin of omission Viking.

You convieniently omitted the word "Communist" from your description of this site. I said "Russian Communist" site, which this clearly is not.

I run rings around you logically.

Don't bother posting a reply, as I'm no longer going to bother with you or this thread.

It's just too easy to trip you up. Not near enough of a challenge.

Peace.
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