Friday 2010-06-17 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[KaHzModAn]

hey i didn't say the DM in ROF was perfect... just that it wasn't as bad as zapatista said
and i've never seen a plane "bounce" in ROF, except if you arrive on your landing gears, and in that case its pretty normal to bounce

with a frontal shock like in your vid, i agree the plane isn't damaged enough in ROF... but imho i like the way it's done you don't bounce, the plane is still damaged beyond repair, and it explodes half the time...
(plus your steel half-truck must have had more kinetic force then a wood and fabric plane (i think... maybe ))

[Romanator21]

I don't understand why anyone would take a WWI stringbag and fly it into the ground at max speed from 4000 meters. I guess the developers didn't have that in mind when creating the damage model. A WWI era biplane hitting the ground at 100 km/h is not going to react in the same way as a truck hitting the ground at the same speed.

Otherwise, their system is really not bad, and seems at least as good as Il-2's. 99% of the time, wood and fabric planes will crumple, rather than disintegrate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqfom...aynext_from=QL

This shows fatal accident so beware:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuXMX...eature=related

[777 Studios - Jason]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I have to laugh.

ROF doesn't even get crashes modeled correctly, in the least.

And now with neoqb being forced out in favor of takeover by 777 Studios, I believe that ROF is in it's last days.

God you know I hope so. I can finally get some sleep. No one was taken over and no one was forced out. Just a friendly merger. Development continues as planned. Thanks for the vote of confidence El Aurens.

Jason

[777 Studios - Jason]

There is no way to model every part breaking exactly as it would in real life as that would crush your processor. Otherwise you'd have a damage simulator. ROF's damage model is very good and it is progressive in nature and it does a great job of makes shootdowns interesting, fun and pretty convincing.

People predicting doom for ROF is nothing new. We've learned to live with it.

SOW will be awesome I am sure.

Jason

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I have to laugh.

ROF doesn't even get crashes modeled correctly, in the least.

And now with neoqb being forced out in favor of takeover by 777 Studios, I believe that ROF is in it's last days.

I have to laugh at your spiteful hate campaign against ROF, El. Just to make it clear, ROF is a Flight Simulator, maybe you are looking for another title. 'Rise of the Crash Test Dummies', perhaps? Show us your vast library of photographs with WWI aircraft buried nose first 4ft in the ground please? Most photographs you will find they are a crumpled heap, some more disintegration is in evidence.

This of course is a real 'deal breaker' in a combat sim, as we all immediately switch to an external view to watch our foe crash when in the middle of a furball don't we? Does wonders for SA. There are actually some very impressive ROF crashes if one bothers to look for them on youtube, not saying they are perfect as they should be, but its a very minor, tertiary and inconsequential 'gripe', if you can even call it that. We don't see planes disintegrate into a million pieces. Lawks, the sim is doomed.

As to the comments about diving full speed from 4000 metres, err the plane will disintegrate well before that when exceeding its Vne, as in real life........so a wee bit irrelevant.

El has been saying that 'Rise of Flight' is 'in its last days' since roughly, lets say......3 days into its release? 1 year on it is unrecognisable from its earlier (lets face it Beta) state and vastly improved. I would take what he says with a pinch of salt, as he actually knows very little about WWI aircraft (not that I'm a world authority myself mind, still learning), as evidenced by his slightly less than illuminating contributions over on SimHq.

Yes, Oleg criticised elements of the DM on initial release (as did I in the same thread, before Oleg did. He also praised its simulation of physics and was overall positive about it. It is much better a little over a year on.

El, you don't like ROF, its not for you. Ok, we get it and you are of course entitled to your opinion. Fine and dandy, but I don't understand what you 'get' from constantly and spitefully bashing it? Call yourself a flight sim fan? Yeah, right......try to bury the only WWI sim there is likely to be for some time.

There are sims I don't like, but I don't go around bashing them constantly, what purpose would it serve? Why would I want to do that? Maybe El should ask himself that same question. If he says 'I care about standards' I will fall of my chair laughing, because his constructive criticism of ROF was negligible if not non existent.

Get over it El, nothing personal but it is beyond me why you do this. ROF is in my opinion now an excellent (not perfect) sim.....I would recommend it to anyone interested in WWI aviation. The 'feel' of flight surpasses anything out there by a country mile. Still a ways to go......(2 seaters coming up and revamped career mode amongst other things).

Had some great fun playing it and yes still very much looking forward to SOW, room for both in the world.....they are not in competition.

Oh and I fly as 'Biggles07' if anyone wants to shoot me down in flames online, I wont take it personally.

Peace be with you all.

[fireflyerz]

Well .ed , I think the nobs have been nabed , dont you

[<George>]

Nice images Oleg,
at the end,if we compose them all together and play them like a film we might have a demo of the game at last...))

[Flanker35M]

S!

I play RoF for different reasons than IL-2. RoF makes you FEEL you are there, graphics are very nice, the FM is convincing, DM is nice and the sim has evolved a lot with patches. And it is the damn best WW1 sim out there at the moment, hands down. And with an engine that could be used for a lot more

IL-2 DM is old, riddled with bugs and simplified in many ways. Our crashes in it are an effect and frankly, if you crash = game over and press refly. SoW will have more fidelity in many ways so maybe we can see more different crashes than just a fireball and flying pieces.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by major_setback

Oleg - will there be train tunnels?

Oh dear.

People having competitions flying bombers inverted under bridges in IL2 was bad enough.

Flying upside down through railway tunnels is going to get silly

[Baron]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

I have to laugh at your spiteful hate campaign against ROF, El. Just to make it clear, ROF is a Flight Simulator, maybe you are looking for another title. 'Rise of the Crash Test Dummies', perhaps? Show us your vast library of photographs with WWI aircraft buried nose first 4ft in the ground please? Most photographs you will find they are a crumpled heap, some more disintegration is in evidence.

This of course is a real 'deal breaker' in a combat sim, as we all immediately switch to an external view to watch our foe crash when in the middle of a furball don't we? Does wonders for SA. There are actually some very impressive ROF crashes if one bothers to look for them on youtube, not saying they are perfect as they should be, but its a very minor, tertiary and inconsequential 'gripe', if you can even call it that. We don't see planes disintegrate into a million pieces. Lawks, the sim is doomed.

As to the comments about diving full speed from 4000 metres, err the plane will disintegrate well before that when exceeding its Vne, as in real life........so a wee bit irrelevant.

El has been saying that 'Rise of Flight' is 'in its last days' since roughly, lets say......3 days into its release? 1 year on it is unrecognisable from its earlier (lets face it Beta) state and vastly improved. I would take what he says with a pinch of salt, as he actually knows very little about WWI aircraft (not that I'm a world authority myself mind, still learning), as evidenced by his slightly less than illuminating contributions over on SimHq.

Yes, Oleg criticised elements of the DM on initial release (as did I in the same thread, before Oleg did. He also praised its simulation of physics and was overall positive about it. It is much better a little over a year on.

El, you don't like ROF, its not for you. Ok, we get it and you are of course entitled to your opinion. Fine and dandy, but I don't understand what you 'get' from constantly and spitefully bashing it? Call yourself a flight sim fan? Yeah, right......try to bury the only WWI sim there is likely to be for some time.

There are sims I don't like, but I don't go around bashing them constantly, what purpose would it serve? Why would I want to do that? Maybe El should ask himself that same question. If he says 'I care about standards' I will fall of my chair laughing, because his constructive criticism of ROF was negligible if not non existent.

Get over it El, nothing personal but it is beyond me why you do this. ROF is in my opinion now an excellent (not perfect) sim.....I would recommend it to anyone interested in WWI aviation. The 'feel' of flight surpasses anything out there by a country mile. Still a ways to go......(2 seaters coming up and revamped career mode amongst other things).

Had some great fun playing it and yes still very much looking forward to SOW, room for both in the world.....they are not in competition.

Oh and I fly as 'Biggles07' if anyone wants to shoot me down in flames online, I wont take it personally.

Peace be with you all.

The reason he is bashing RoF in this perticullar case, i think, is because people uses RoF as an example of how to do things, wich in manys opinion is, a bad example.

A year into RoF release iv learned NOT to say anything bad about it, because u WILL be hunted down, wherever u are. (A main reason why i stay as far away as possible from RoF at this point)
In my opinion RoF is a broken sim, granted, if u like just flying arround doing pretty much nothing ist ok but concidering its 5-10 years newer than any competition it doesnt surpasses anything, it fairs well (mainly in the grphics department ) nothing more.

And im quite sure Oleg WONT be looking at RoF for pointers in how to create SoW.

There are many things i dont like about RoF, a development team comming from IL2 succesully missing to implement even 1 good thing from theire experiance (empty SP/MP, Team Death Mach, Capture The Flag.....wth??) is one and a development team not beeing financially backed up from the get go just doesnt instill confidance, is one, beeing told on variouse forums that there is nothing wrong with RoF, youre the one whose broken, is another.

Could we just agree not to bring RoF into the SoW debate, RoF has nothing SoW wants. (That is really not an attempt at an insult, its just the way it is)

I can understand that many who like RoF think it gets treated unfair, but so what, just leave it be and enjoy your game. Exept the fact that there are many who wholhartedly dissagrees with u.


P.S. The giddyness of getting a windstock implemented in the game, whats up with that?


Edit: As for bending on impact, im not an expert either but a solid object (what ever its made of) doesnt stay in on piece and bounce (RoF) if plowed strait into the ground a 200 mph, it just doesnt.