Friday 2010-03-19 Screenshots and Discussion Thread

[Sutts]

Thanks for the update Oleg. Those shadows really bring that cockpit to life...very impressive stuff. The detail on the bomb sight is amazing. Will be fantastic if it works like the real thing too.

One little observation I think I've mentioned before. The 1940s fields would not have featured modern day tractor "tramlines" - I think I can see some in the background of the Blenheim shot. At that time tractors were still outnumbered by horses and the tractors that were in use were definitely not applying sprays with large booms - this is what those parallel wheel lines in the crop are for.

The fields of the time would have appeared as a uniform crop with no parallel tractor lines. In case you plan to show bales and modern style square hay/straw stacks - these would only appear later. Wheat stooks are an important feature for a country scene around harvest time and traditional hay stacks too (large heaps of hay/straw - not baled). Lines of straw produced by combines would also have been rare or non-existant as the technology was only just becoming available in the states.

I included some pictures in this post:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...tor#post143189

I apologise if I'm stating the obvious here.

Anyhow, thanks again for the update. I'm very encouraged by the way the sim is looking.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Hi Sutts,

I can only talk from an Australian Point of View, but there were a range of horse drawn mechanical harvester available from the turn of the centrury. As a lad in Western Australia, it seemed like every farm had it's mechanical graveyard with at least one old horse drawn Sunshine harvester.

http://museumvictoria.com.au/sunshin....asp?iid=10479



Now I'm not sure how that translates to 1940's England with the smaller acreages, traditional farming practices and a larger labour force (In Australia at the time (as now), if you were not an efficient farmer your not a farmer!), And I have no idea how common it would be in England at the time.

This style of equipment produces a more regular patterns after the harvesting process.

It's amazing where these discussions will lead.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Sutts

Thanks for the update Oleg. Those shadows really bring that cockpit to life...very impressive stuff. The detail on the bomb sight is amazing. Will be fantastic if it works like the real thing too.

One little observation I think I've mentioned before. The 1940s fields would not have featured modern day tractor "tramlines" - I think I can see some in the background of the Blenheim shot. At that time tractors were still outnumbered by horses and the tractors that were in use were definitely not applying sprays with large booms - this is what those parallel wheel lines in the crop are for.

The fields of the time would have appeared as a uniform crop with no parallel tractor lines. In case you plan to show bales and modern style square hay/straw stacks - these would only appear later. Wheat stooks are an important feature for a country scene around harvest time and traditional hay stacks too (large heaps of hay/straw - not baled). Lines of straw produced by combines would also have been rare or non-existant as the technology was only just becoming available in the states.

I included some pictures in this post:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...tor#post143189

I apologise if I'm stating the obvious here.

Anyhow, thanks again for the update. I'm very encouraged by the way the sim is looking.

[Richie]

There are a couple of things I notice that I really like one is nothing really but on the Ju-88 it's nice to see round cowlings and not the 16 sided ones we have in IL-2. Those look great. The other is the glass I like the look of it very much. Someone mentioned a Seagull before, I have a pic of a SOW Seagull somewhere, I'll try to dig it up.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

I can only talk from an Australian Point of View, but there were a range of horse drawn mechanical harvester available from the turn of the centrury. As a lad in Western Australia, it seemed like every farm had it's mechanical graveyard with at least one old horse drawn Sunshine harvester.

Now I'm not sure how that translates to 1940's England with the smaller acreages, traditional farming practices and a larger labour force (In Australia at the time (as now), if you were not an efficient farmer your not a farmer!), And I have no idea how common it would be in England at the time.

This style of equipment produces a more regular patterns after the harvesting process.

It's amazing where these discussions will lead.

Yeah, it's nice to ramble a bit sometimes.

I don't know about the war, I don't remember it .

I was born in 1954 and lived in the country as a child. By the time I was taking notice (probably 1957 at the earliest) it was all combine harvesters, tractors, and mechanical balers. There was ploughing using horses, as a sport, but the real thing was always done using tractors by that time (a team of horses could pull one plough, a tractor could pull four at once). There is a tractor in the Airfix kit of the Stirling that looks a lot like the farm tractors in my day, as the current tractors do (except front wheels seem bigger now), I presume the engine capacities and power have increased.

Bales in those days were rectangular, now they're round, that's quite a recent change, in the 1980s or 1990s in Britain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baler

Wikipedia says 1937 for small "square" bales, so they may have begun to be used in the war, or maybe they were available in the USA only?

[AndyJWest]

The 'Women's Land Army' at work, presumably in WWII:

Looks like a mechanical baler to me...

[Flanker35M]

S!

So we are getting Storm of War: Battle of the Fields?! Drive the most devastating crop choppers of the era and annihilate your opponents with superior harvesting and fine tuned machinery! Let that neighbour behind the stone wall taste the bitter taste of failure against your perfectly honed farming skills and state of the art farming equipment. Now in DirectX 11 in a shop near you!

Errrm..I thought this was done already

[Sutts]

Nice shots Rodolphe, thanks for posting.

I wasn't against all lines in fields since tractors/horses cutting hay, turning hay, binders cutting cereals etc., would all produce straight lines and blocks of colour in the landscape.

My main issue was the wide spaced uniform tramlines that could only be produced by modern agricultural methods. I think the appearance of round and square bales would also be a killer.

Now, this was all based on the assumption that fields would be put together from a standard set of textures. If this isn't the case and modern aerial photography is being used to put together the landscape then the effort required would be way too much and I'll just live with it.

The trouble with modern aerial photography is the fields have been enlarged and "squared up" considerably since the war and a good percentage of the hedgerows and lanes have been destroyed to cater for modern machinery. This results in a very different looking landscape to that which pilots of the day would have seen.

Anyhow, I think the points are clear and I'll shut up now.

[Les]

Originally Posted by Sutts

...Now, this was all based on the assumption that fields would be put together from a standard set of textures. If this isn't the case and modern aerial photography is being used to put together the landscape then the effort required would be way too much and I'll just live with it...

Somewhere along the way Oleg said the ground textures will be tiled. I vaguely remember some earlier screenshots even showing such.

I highly doubt the default textures will be the VFR style photographic ones. Would be interested to know though if it will be technically possible for the 3rd party add-on makers to use those sort of photographic textures on the smaller maps they'll be allowed to make.

[csThor]

Marking colours for the Luftwaffe are part of my research. I have - as far as possible and as far as I could provide material - listed the historical markings for each Staffel. Where no material was found I applied the standard rules of the Luftwaffendienstvorschrift.

[Richie]

I guess blue numbers didn't come till later in the war.