what E versions of Bf109 will be flyable?

TheGrunch · #1 02-24-2010, 05:34 AM

I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it. The best argument I heard against it being possible is that the oil tank would be in the way of the breech. This is just a vague recollection, though.

Crumpp · #2 02-25-2010, 10:18 AM

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I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it.

The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon. The Ersatzteilliste, Flugzeug-Handbuch, Kennblatt, Ladeplan, nor any other documentation used to operate and maintain the aircraft do not reflect an option for an engine mounted cannon.

csThor · #3 02-25-2010, 10:22 AM

What Crumpp said.

That "E-3 with central cannon" is BS in its truest form but as sticky as old bubble gum. Just because one author listed it in an ancient book on the 109 series (which was full of errors anyway) and because countless other authors were too lazy to check the facts themselves and copied said mistakes it doesn't mean it's true, you know?

Skarphol · #4 02-25-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Crumpp

The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon.

What is the purpose of the gun port in the spinner on various E-models, if it is not for an engine mounted gun?

Skarphol

zakkandrachoff · #5 02-25-2010, 12:12 PM

http://www.spitfireworldwar.com/mess...09britian.html

Baron · #6 02-25-2010, 02:07 PM

Bf 109E:

Time to height: to 9,840ft 31 minutes, to 19,685ft 71 minutes

Que?

csThor · #7 02-25-2010, 02:55 PM

That link's utter BS.

robtek · #8 02-25-2010, 03:36 PM

I think it' meant 3,1 min to 9840 ft and 7.1 min to 19685 ft.

=KAG=Bersrk · #9 02-26-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skarphol

What is the purpose of the gun port in the spinner on various E-models, if it is not for an engine mounted gun?

Skarphol

Same "ports" in spinner tips had Bf110C/D/E. It is for cooling the magneto, and not for cannon mounting.

Skarphol · #10 02-26-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by =KAG=Bersrk

Same "ports" in spinner tips had Bf110C/D/E. It is for cooling the magneto, and not for cannon mounting.

OK, thanks! I have allways thought that was a gun port.

Strange that some versions of the E-model has it, and others don't.

In the illustration on page 1 of this thread it seems like all versions up to the E-3 and the E-4/B has a hole in the spinner, while the E-4 and E-7 has a conventional spinner.

On F-models and later models the spinner is quite different.

Skarphol