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Old 01-12-2010, 08:49 PM
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Yes, if done properly 3d would add hugely to the experience of playing this game. If it was I would probably splash out for a 3d system just to play it this way.

Those who already have 3d systems, how well do they work with other flight simluators?
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:56 PM
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One problem I have seen in flight sims is that the scenery is often rendered first, then the cockpit is rendered on top of it in a different coordinate system. So with a naive stereo driver that simply offsets the viewpoint, the relative sizes of the cockpit and surrounding world is completely wrong.

I could be wrong, but I would expect that the game needs to be aware of the stereo view to solve this problem...
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Old 01-13-2010, 05:36 PM
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3d gamers are an infinitesimally small percentage of the market.

I seriously doubt Oleg is going to bother (at least at the start) to make the sim for such a small niche sector. Perhaps later but even then I tend to doubt it ........ not worth the coding time.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:19 PM
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Well, that's what they said about S-3D movies before Avatar. Heard about that infinitesimally world wide cume movie?
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:43 PM
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3D is only posible future
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:49 AM
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3d gamers are an infinitesimally small percentage of the market.

I seriously doubt Oleg is going to bother (at least at the start) to make the sim for such a small niche sector. Perhaps later but even then I tend to doubt it ........ not worth the coding time.
Nothing compares to flying in 3D, if possible in big screen, you feel height, and you feel IN cockpit. I understand "distant" perfectly. Any state-of-the art and wonderful sim played in 2D turns pale when it is compared to itself but in true 3D (immersion wise). Most of the people have never had that experience though. People need to test it to believe, and test it without being against it from the beginning, of course. Anyway, what I wanted to say is that I put that question to Oleg in these forums during the first (recent) updates, and maybe people is not aware of the answers of Oleg:

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First of all thanks you for you warm words. Really my honesty was always a problem in my life... Especially in soviet time...

If NIVIDIA will give us that hardware later, then I don't think that to implement the page of their souce code would be too complex. I personally have great experience in steroscopic images both in photo and computer. In the past we were one of the very first developers that supported VFX-1 and I-Glasses helmets and stereo gogles. But it was born probably too early.
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NVIDIA in direct contact with us. Currently they want us implement the separate support of CUDA.
However its not a time when we may spend additional great time to work with it even it is possible. But we are in constant contact and they never told me about new steroscopic item.
Anyway any implementation of such things as steroscopic should go only when everything is clear and we may spend additional time. Maybe even after release. Because I'm sure there will be add-ons. Not like in the past, but will be. Something will be free. Something - not. The project is too much time and money engrossing due to its complexity.
So, I have faith in Oleg. He likes stereoscopy and has big experience with that in PC and photo, he is not as a normal developer/producer. He has additional interests on several things that other developers not. So, I have hope. When BOB will be published, I will try to contact him to remember him about that (if needed, fingers crossed). Will see.

You can read my messages, to which he was responding, following the link http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...ion#post115231

PD In the same topic, it was stated several times that the code is no more OpenGL, it is DirectX, and it will use DX10 (?) and DX11 (DX9 too, I think)

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Old 01-20-2010, 02:20 PM
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@darkbluesky: thanks for the info, there is a big chance that the game will work with 3DVision since it's directx based. If they take care of the clouds' and ground objects' depth then it'll be perfect.

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Nothing compares to flying in 3D, if possible in big screen, you feel height, and you feel IN cockpit
You reminds me of the first moment when DCS's Blackshark cockpit appeared in S-3D on my 61" @ HD resolution, my 'scream' of joy was probably heard across the neighborhood. Immersion was an understatement. I was actually flying the damn thing. It was pure bliss and it haunted my every waking moment for days afterwards.
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Old 01-21-2010, 10:23 AM
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If anybody has the time, could someone please do a 3d video from a flight sim and put it up as a 3d video on youtube? I am very curious to see how well this would work.
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:07 PM
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Making S3D video of games by Fraps takes a lot of storage room. A better approach is to download and install iz3D driver and try the game for yourself in anaglyphic S-3D. iZ3D works for both ATI and Nvidia GPU and its anaglyphic output was free last time I checked.

If you had a compatible Nvidia GPU, you can of course install its stereoscopy driver for free and play the game in anaglyphic mode as well.

Have fun.

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Old 01-25-2010, 01:02 PM
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If anybody has the time, could someone please do a 3d video from a flight sim and put it up as a 3d video on youtube? I am very curious to see how well this would work.
I recently read that youtube was in fact close to enabling 3D videos to be played. They demoed it at a recent show. I don't think its quite up and running on the actual site yet though?

The thing is though that if you don't already have 3D glasses ($200) or suitable monitor (old 100-120Hz CRT or spend at least $600 on new compatable LCD) then you won't be able to see any youtube 3D videos even when it is up and running. You can use analgraph (colored glasses) but they are total crap and the sort of thing that gave 3D a bad rep in the past.

On the other hand if you do already have stereoscopic glasses you already know how good it is and can make the video yourself.

Another way to put this - you cannot show 3D stereo vision on a 2D monitor - you were joking right? Its a bit like someone with a black and white only monitor asking someone with a color monitor to post a color pic so they can see how good color pics look on their black and white monitor before deciding if they should update from B&W to color.
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