Not about the score but the utmost(6 days+0 losses)

unicornxp · #1 12-02-2009, 03:46 AM

This is the result of my first play under version 1.2 It's not mainly about the high score so forgive me not followed DGDobrev's thread

Impossible Mage only use 6 days to finish the game

of course with zero losses

(I kept about 15+ save files and many screenshots to record the entiry process so no need to doubt of cheat etc

I also shared the save files at debir so anyone can try it~~)

The tactic is the "one slot troop". First troll then red dragon and at last the balckknights when fighting some bosses.

There are 2 important point in my game

1 troll and red dragon(world scoll in scarlett island and verona)

2 good enough physical resistance equipments(this game i fonud iron plate in Verona and the dragon scale set in Umakas, so red dragon's PR with stone skin and medal can be 92%)

I used troll to nearly vanished all the creeps in Rusty-anchor and then got the emerald dragon to pass the bridge in Verona.

Then i had red dragon to cleared Umakas and reached about LV21. When i back to the main land, i already had the ablility to vanish all the enemy and reached Dersu at LV35 and only day 4

When fighting the BOSS of mirror tower i only had 136 Blackknights with magic resistance only 32% but it didin's seems very difficult- -

Katahu is quiet simple using 236 blackknights to fight(with 2 equipments -%leadership of blackknights)= =

About Baal i used about 50+ turns to get 0 losses...so boaring compared to warrior.

Becaus of my goal is the shortest days so i aborted many quests that may waste time so the final score is not good compared to my warrior game(11days clear LV57).Shaterra island didn't visited, so both level and finished quests are low. If i had to finish them all , it may need 8-9 days.

By the way, i don't think 6 days is the final utmost, because in this file i still wasted time to Umakas about at least 10hours and also the quest in nameless island about 8hours. I finished the game at day6 20:00, so it's very possible to make it at day5's evening

At last, i think only Mage has the ability to challenge the high-point- -+although this may need some luck.

Zechnophobe · #2 12-02-2009, 04:30 AM

Why Black knights as your stand alone stack? Seems like an odd choice.

unicornxp · #3 12-02-2009, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Why Black knights as your stand alone stack? Seems like an odd choice.

easy to resurrect with spell evili(30% of the max number) and reach 0 losses

high base physical resistance,mainly used to fight bosses(queit easy to be95% pr)

after purged Moro Dark and gain infinity counterstrike ability, blackknight is a little imbalance~~

Elwin · #4 12-02-2009, 09:35 AM

Impressive that black night tactics looks realy nice i have few questions:

how you deal with zilgadis ?? you couldnt fight zilgadis and tower constanly summoning units at the same time

Ktahu - everything looks quite nice on paper, but gorguana is a problem here?? mark of blood can harm pretty much and you cant hit ktahu and gorguanas at once since gorguana is ranged ... does a magic damage so phisycal resitance want help much

Kings Bounty Hunter · #5 12-02-2009, 09:42 AM

I can't see how you missed the high score thread tbh it's the most viewed thread on here

Well done on the 6 day win anyway.

Elwin · #6 12-02-2009, 10:39 AM

Deathknigt is awesome unit ... if it can be reesed by evlin its just insane, paladin is weakling compared to him ..
as already said his got high physical resistances, unlimited rtaliaton and rise his power on hitting, When you count thay he kills many boos summons and combined it with warrior frenzy abbility hes attack will rise insane. Combined with stoneskin and god armor its just unstopable killing machine

DGDobrev · #7 12-02-2009, 10:40 AM

Great work, unicornxp! 6 days is completely conceivable, especially if you minimize the travel time between the islands, and skip a bunch of quests that require a lot of traveling. You also did really great freeing Moro Dark. Black Knights + Splinter of Darkness is wicked - great phys defense and always retaliating unit. Top that up with stone skin and some + crit chance items and you get a very powerful unit that alone can beat up everything around. I can say that for a fact, because I'm doing a fun playthrough on normal with undead-only roster, and I can see that this can work on impossible big time.

Once again, great work and good luck shaving off a day or two from this result in the next playthrough

nogi · #8 12-02-2009, 11:40 AM

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The tactic is the "one slot troop". First troll then red dragon and at last the balckknights when fighting some bosses.

Please, can you elaborate on this?

What spells do you use, how, when? Maybe you can post video on how you normally go to beat 1 army or even some of the bosses? Thank you.

DGDobrev · #9 12-02-2009, 12:24 PM

That will be tough, but this is my supposition:

In the beginning, you play with 1 troll or 1 red dragon. Troll at night for regeneration, Red dragon at day for his speed and breath attack. You can easily evade all the enemies all the time with a dragon in the beginning because of his flying ability and speed.

The next and most important thing is to get Moro Dark and free him from the Darkness by fighting enemy stacks that have undead, demons, or both in them. When freed, he will give you a splinter of darkness, which, when equipped, gives the Black Knights unlimited retaliations.

The spells that best complement this type of play are stone skin (greatly improves physical resistance) and god armor (even further improvement of all resistances). While your troop is well protected, you can turn your attention to nuking. Geyser and Death star are by far the best nuking spells. Also make sure you always have mana for evlin, so that you can recover the losses suffered by your Black Knight stack.

Bosses.
VS spider it's easy. the spider stacks inflict physical or poison damage, and the black knight is resistant to both (30% phys, 50% poison). Simply add stone skin, put him in front of his left or right legs and hack away. When the spider changes position, simply cast teleport on the Black Knights and hack again till you kill him.
The frog. Put the Black knights in front of his left or right foot, add stne skin and hack away. The unlimited retaliations will deal with the snakes the frog summons. His spit isn't a problem, because it is poison-based.
VS Driller. Well, there will be no evlin in this fight, so a stack of trolls can really give him hell here. It's underground, so they will regenerate every turn. Simply keep the stone skin on the trolls and hack at the boss. The regeneration ability will do the rest.
Vs Zilgadis. Position the black knights in front of the boss, cast stone skin and hack away. Let him summon towers. He can summon 5 of them at most anyway. The stacks that friendly gremlin towers summon will provide corpses for evlin spell to recover the losses.
Vs K'Tahu. Put the Black knights on his weak spot and hack away. If he moves, teleport them to his weak spot again. Keep stone skin on them all the time. The always retaliates ability will deal with the summonings, and the corpses will provide enough options to cast the evlin spell.
Vs Baal. The Black knights in front of him, stone skin and hack. When he summons demons, cast evlin on the dead stacks to recover the losses. Also cast 15-mana phantoms on the black knights to keep 2 units in a row, thus enticing baal to hit them both rather than throwing his sword or summoning way too many allies.

That should do it. I doubt he can make a clip, because I can imagine that with this troop setup, his battles were going well beyond 30 turns, and that's quite a lot of real-life time.

unicornxp · #10 12-02-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Elwin

Impressive that black night tactics looks realy nice i have few questions:

how you deal with zilgadis ?? you couldnt fight zilgadis and tower constanly summoning units at the same time

Ktahu - everything looks quite nice on paper, but gorguana is a problem here?? mark of blood can harm pretty much and you cant hit ktahu and gorguanas at once since gorguana is ranged ... does a magic damage so phisycal resitance want help much

about zilgadis maybe this screenshot can answer ur question

most of the time there are too many troops on the battle field...what i can do is repeating spells like stone skin---mana spring---hell fire---eviln .. very boaring..

to deal with gorguana is very simple---the spell "fear"
i also didn't realize this spell's importance until this game>_<

if u used lv5 creatures like dragons, fear has the same effect as blind to lv1-4 creatures(shaman,inqusitor,royal griffin etc)but last 2 or 3 more turns...this spell usually used to control magic attack enemies so u get time to use poison and burning spells decrease the amount until the dragon can afford their damage.

when VS katahu there's only 1 troop of gorguana abut 127...only need 1 hit to kill

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Originally Posted by DGDobrev

You also did really great freeing Moro Dark. Black Knights + Splinter of Darkness is wicked - great phys defense and always retaliating unit.

actually in this game i didn't get Splinter of Darkness =_=i didn't go to Shaterra and there's not enough demon and undead units to purge moro dark
....also no enough battles to release the skull of pain.

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Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Once again, great work and good luck shaving off a day or two from this result in the next playthrough

the tactics is not very hard..all the rest is only luck and i think i don't have
enough patience to find a better start save 0_0

this result shows that Mage is the most amazing occupation , that's enough fo me and i don't expect better