Why is everyone so surprised that a Russain company made the American planes suck?

[Smidlee]

It has been mention here that according to history the JU87 B-2 were easy to shoot down yet in the game they are a lot tougher. So you theory does not hold water.

[akuma]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

akuma... how old are you? really.. I want to know
and also, in what world do you live?

MW2 yeah? that is quite in BOP's ally isnt it?

the flight model isnt screwed up! (the same as the IL-2 pc version!!!), the made another error and FIXED it.

you throw your ignorance and ranting in some one elses' face

30

The real one

And the facts speak for themselves.

P51's suck and IL's are massively over spec'd, why is this such a shocking thing to say?

[draux]

They made the B-17G a god plane. Did they do that because they hate Americans too?

[akuma]

Originally Posted by draux

They made the B-17G a god plane. Did they do that because they hate Americans too?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10125

From reading here (this forum, senior members) apperently thats not strictly true.

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by akuma

30

The real one

And the facts speak for themselves.

P51's suck and IL's are massively over spec'd, why is this such a shocking thing to say?

Could you plz just note the fact that 'they admitted it, and fixed it. and that the flight model is not the error'.

then we are done with this thread, because that counters all your statements.

[akuma]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

Could you plz just note the fact that 'they admitted it, and fixed it. and that the flight model is not the error'.

then we are done with this thread, because that counters all your statements.

So the P51-B sucks, the P51-D sucks and the B17 falls out of the sky by simply looking at it funny.

YET

The IL-10 is for all intents and purposes invinicble and has a rear auto gunner like a sniper on steriods, the YAK's can out turn even small birds.

And all of this is a simple accident and has nothing to do with a bit of bias?

How I wish I could live in the blinkered world too!

Edit - Exactly when dd they fix the P51? As at today its still slow and wing overs if you apply even the smallest nudge on the rudder and stalls at anything under 300mph?

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by akuma

Lets break your answer down;

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

As far as I can tell, there are indeed many, many unhappy customers constantly complaining about the P51-D, sales haven't been off the scale, and lets face it, the servers aren't exactly briming with people!

Yes there are indeed now scrabbling to fix it, because with major games like MW2 coming out, if they ignore there fan base too much they'll find completely empty servers and nobody buying the DLC. Remember most of the buyers are in fact western based.

I think you are under estimating national pride though, these guys are not sim novices, they know what they are doing, there is no way the could "accidently" completely and utterly screw up such an important flight model.

Yea, let's make the P-51 perform how people "think" it should perform - based on myth and pride. Great idea, so we can whore the game out to please the ignorant to increase sales.

Grow up.

This is the problem with our country. Too many who think EVERYTHING America does is golden and perfect:

I guess if they made a tank sim you'd expect sherman tanks to withstand a few rounds from tiger tanks and be able to take tiger tanks out with one shot?

But guess what, the Sherman tank sucked. Many Shermans were destroyed for every Tiger tank destroyed.

This is fact - deal with it.

The P-51 had great high alt performance and superior range for escort missions - but was not a plane for low-alt turning fights and could not climb with or away from the german or russian planes at low alt.

This is fact - deal with it.

If you want the P-51 to fly how most casual American historians think it would fly - it would out turn bi-planes, break the sound barrier, and be an arcade game joke.

Apparently you need to play HOE. HOE whored itself out for consumption by the ignorant. This is the game you are asking for. Enjoy.

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by akuma

So the P51-B sucks, the P51-D sucks and the B17 falls out of the sky by simply looking at it funny.

YET

The IL-10 is for all intents and purposes invinicble and has a rear auto gunner like a sniper on steriods, the YAK's can out turn even small birds.

And all of this is a simple accident and has nothing to do with a bit of bias?

How I wish I could live in the blinkered world too!

DUDE! grow up! get your psychological age and biological age alligned!
they fixed the P-51, the B-17 is allready overpowerd and all that is nerfed is good for balance.


I have never had any problem flying my spit against a yak. The yak was a good plane! yeah... the russians did make some of the best/ the best planes of WW2.

the IL-2... you get shot down by that gunner... good for you. It is a bit too hard to take down.. but hey.. the game is called IL-2, and some love for the motherland is ok right . this has nothing to do with hating america .

now im just going to wait for the rest of the people to flame you, except guilty, and wait for a moderator to close this ridiculous topic

[akuma]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

Yea, let's make the P-51 perform how people "think" it should perform - based on myth and pride. Great idea, so we can whore the game out to please the ignorant to increase sales.

Grow up.

This is the problem with our country. Too many who think EVERYTHING America does is golden and perfect:

I guess if they made a tank sim you'd expect sherman tanks to withstand a few rounds from tiger tanks and be able to take tiger tanks out with one shot?

But guess what, the Sherman tank sucked. Many Shermans were destroyed for every Tiger tank destroyed.

This is fact - deal with it.

The P-51 had great high alt performance and superior range for escort missions - but was not a plane for low-alt turning fights and could not climb with or away from the german or russian planes at low alt.

This is fact - deal with it.

If you want the P-51 to fly how most casual American historians think it would fly - it would out turn bi-planes, break the sound barrier, and be an arcade game joke.

Apparently you need to play HOE. HOE whored itself out for consumption by the ignorant. This is the game you are asking for. Enjoy.

Now take everything you just said and apply it to the IL serise of planes, and strangely enough it seems the IL planes have been up spec'd to the legendary status the Russian have been brought up to beleive it was.

I'm not engineer, but if I put 30+ cannon rounds through an IL-10 wing, its coming off, simple as, but does it in the game, no.

[draux]

Originally Posted by akuma

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10125

From reading here (this forum, senior members) apperently thats not strictly true.

Get in a strike match with a B-17G and see which team everyone switches to in the lobby. From a B-17 fan, I couldn't be happier with it. Sure its vulnerable, but Ive found all the turrets balance that out.

One question for you: If they hate American planes, why would they even include them in the game?