To the "troublemakers and the malcontents"

[Mr Greezy]

Guys. I gotta say, as an old hat to sim games (especially IL2) but a newcomer more or less to the forum, it's incredibly shocking to me how much time and effort is being put into arguing. It's physically draining to read it, I can only imagine that after a day of pointless argument/counter argument, the people involved are completely wiped. It feels like it's a second job to some.

Look. The game is grossly incomplete. But it's out now, and the devs are working on it. What else is there to say other than to report bugs and HELP the devs make it better by being positive and constructive? What will endless, cyclic bickering do other than take away the moderators and potentially Luthier himself from answering pertinent, technical questions? Do you want 1C to apologize? Do you want a refund?

Look, it was a shaky start. But PC games, and sim games in particular, especially ones released in this bogus economy have all been shaky. Look, I'm not ignoring the fact that this game needs an incredible amount of work. I'll be the first to admit that it's virtually unplayable. But on these boards I'm seeing so much more than talk about the game. In-fighting is just serving to poison the community and take time away from the people who are either trying to improve the game or address legitimate issues on the forum. There should never have to be mass bannings because it shouldn't have got to that point in the first place.

So even if after all this, you still think so-and-so is in the wrong, just be the better man and take a deep breath, drink a glass of warm milk, and come back with the right attitude. I'm not trying to pick fights, so if any feathers get ruffled you've missed the point of this post ENTIRELY. It's meant to quell it. What's done is done, and since we are all gunning for this to be a great game, let's be on the same team as opposed to different ones.

Go team!!

...right?

[r0bc]

Your a wise man...well said.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Mr Greezy

Guys. I gotta say, as an old hat to sim games (especially IL2) but a newcomer more or less to the forum, it's incredibly shocking to me how much time and effort is being put into arguing. It's physically draining to read it, I can only imagine that after a day of pointless argument/counter argument, the people involved are completely wiped. It feels like it's a second job to some.

Look. The game is grossly incomplete. But it's out now, and the devs are working on it. What else is there to say other than to report bugs and HELP the devs make it better by being positive and constructive? What will endless, cyclic bickering do other than take away the moderators and potentially Luthier himself from answering pertinent, technical questions? Do you want 1C to apologize? Do you want a refund?

Look, it was a shaky start. But PC games, and sim games in particular, especially ones released in this bogus economy have all been shaky. Look, I'm not ignoring the fact that this game needs an incredible amount of work. I'll be the first to admit that it's virtually unplayable. But on these boards I'm seeing so much more than talk about the game. In-fighting is just serving to poison the community and take time away from the people who are either trying to improve the game or address legitimate issues on the forum. There should never have to be mass bannings because it shouldn't have got to that point in the first place.

So even if after all this, you still think so-and-so is in the wrong, just be the better man and take a deep breath, drink a glass of warm milk, and come back with the right attitude. I'm not trying to pick fights, so if any feathers get ruffled you've missed the point of this post ENTIRELY. It's meant to quell it. What's done is done, and since we are all gunning for this to be a great game, let's be on the same team as opposed to different ones.

Go team!!

...right?

I agree with all that apart from the warm milk bit... not good

[Mr Greezy]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

I agree with all that apart from the warm milk bit... not good

No arguments, remember? You drink your warm milk right now, soldier!!!!

[Feathered_IV]

Good advice. I'm thinking of taking a break for a while, as I've recently found the standards of the forum have a habit of dragging one down with it.

[sigintwarrior]

I have found that drinking warm milk slows down my frame rate.... or was it drinking beer?..... Just kidding.

Well stated Mr. Greezy

[Redroach]

I really don't get why the supposedly 'adult' faction keeps bringing that up. People were, and are, frustrated, vented their anger in acceptable and non-acceptable ways, and now, when things get a bit calmer again, you're poking into the beehive again. I'm pretty fed up with the oh-so-wise, grown-ups keeping referencing the 'whiners' in the most derogatory ways possible in every second post.
That's just asking for it, sorry. Provocation is not the upper side of The Schwartz.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Ah yes...... Let's not forget about "The Schwartz"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K4CSuKaePY

[Redroach]

Should I report for profanity?

[Skoshi Tiger]

The problem is that the so called whiners do it because they enjoy whining. The people who stir things up do so because they enjoy stirring things up. Some repeatedly restate the obvious because.... well it's just obvious.

If any sane person got so much grief from a product they would take it back for a refund (oops they didn't read the terms of sale too bad!) or right off their $14.00 (yep that’s what some of these guys paid for it!) that they paid for it even though they knew it had issues before they bought it. (Some had been telling the community how bad it would be for literally years before it was released! Don't believe me do a search on some of their posts!)

Thanks be to God that my kid's don't whine as much as some of the people on this forum!

I just enjoy playing the game. It is fun and immersive even with all the issues. If the whiners don’t succeed in driving the developers away and abandoning the title (they have already driven them away from regularly posting on this board), any future patches and updates will be most welcome.