Swastika App

[smink1701]

Anyone working on one?

[Chips86]

Why are they so anti swastika's? I understand that not everyone likes them...but for a series as historically accurate as this it seems a little odd.

[smink1701]

They are illegal in Germany...so could not be included in the game. But they are historically correct so someone needs to come up with a mod.

[Strike]

good luck selling it in germany...

The symbol represents one of the worst cases of ideology gone wrong bringing the entire world into war. And this very day some punks still think it's cool to be nazis.

I would not want to release a product with anything representing that ingame. However, for historical accuracy, it's O.K for me to have it, and also O.K NOT to have it implemented. I completely understand the reason why that isn't included in the game.

[madrebel]

Originally Posted by Strike

The symbol represents one of the worst cases of ideology gone wrong bringing the entire world into war.

actually the symbol represents good luck good fortune and the word swastika comes from the sanskrit word svastika. yes the symbol is that old and was used for centuries before the nazi party used it as a symbol.

dont let a very short period of time erase centuries of history.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by madrebel

actually the symbol represents good luck good fortune and the word swastika comes from the sanskrit word svastika. yes the symbol is that old and was used for centuries before the nazi party used it as a symbol.

dont let a very short period of time erase centuries of history.

actually, the symbol (as used by the nazi party) came to represent one of the worst idealogies to ever unleash itself on mankind, which has damaged the original meaning of the swastika forever.

good luck? it (the swastika) represents a spinning Chakra

" First Chakra (The Muladhara Chakra, Four Petal Lotus) Located at the base of the spine, first chakra rules our PHYSICAL energies. It is the root chakra that aids us in our everyday survival.

MEDITATION:
First chakra is clear, I feel secure, grounded, and stable. I can use good "common sense" to balance my finances, as well as my everyday responsibilities, and still initiate new activities and interest. My eliminatory system functions well, neural activity in my legs and feet is healthy, and my ability to initiate sexual encounters is comfortable and natural. My root chakra is the home of the Kundalini, the Sleeping Serpent. When this chakra is clear and balanced, the Goddess Kundalini Shakti can awaken, and begin her gradual rise towards reunion with Lord Shiva (bringing Enlightenment)."

the whole methodology of the nazi idealogy was perverted


Holocaust survivors, and their families, take a very dim view of what the nazi used swastika came to represent

[ptisinge]

Originally Posted by madrebel

actually the symbol represents good luck good fortune and the word swastika comes from the sanskrit word svastika.

Well, we're not discussing the use of the svastika in general, we're discussing the use of it as a Nazi symbol, and clearly the one on the german planes was not here to say good luck, it was here to symbolize the Nazi party. A few countries have strict laws about its use, a number of veterans feel sick knowing people would like to fly these colours in a simulation (yes, I know one veteran who is disgusted by the idea that people insist on having svastika in Il2, he's my uncle, and I respect his opinion more than anything else, he suffered from this symbol more than any of us can imagine), if you want to mod it in your own privacy, I don't care, but please don't make it this drama. I appreciate historical realism, but I can also live without a svastika in IL2, I still don't get why it's such a drama not to have them.

[bando]

The devs stated there are legal issues in Russia.
I believe in Germany there are issues as well.

Whatever people think of it, the devs have to deal with the fact that IF they allow swastika's they may well go to jail in Russia. Even if some modder made a mod for it. So be careful what you wish for.

[cre8tive Delay]

Historical correctness has to face borders as well.

It makes a difference if someone is watching a photo of WW2 on which a swastika could be seen or if real people are flying around in a sim with a swastika on their tail.

A sim is not a time document. One could argue that movies are not time documents either but those movies are "anti-war" movies.

Is Il2 an anti-war sim? I don't believe so.

Anyhow. Give me an option to turn this f* crap off and I won't complain if it comes with the sim.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by bando

the devs have to deal with the fact that IF they allow swastika's they may well go to jail in Russia.Even if some modder made a mod for it.

If the mod is outside of the developers control then it's nothing to do with them. They're available in IL2 aren't they? And the devs aren't in jail.

Assuming the developers aren't allowed to touch it, I think you'd be better discussing a solution on a forum that is not linked to the developers.