IL2 and Sound Modding

[F19_Klunk]

Hmm I thought it was pretty clear and straight forward (in maybe an elaborate way) :

"If you are an offliner then why would your opinion about the effects of the mods to the ONLINE community have any major validity(?) - it does not affect your sim experience one bit!"

I can only agree and I can't find that statement arrogant in any way.

[jasonbirder]

Well in that case can we work under the assumption that as the Online community makes up a tiny minority of IL2 players and that their opinion is of no validity to Offline players...then this whole debate is over and done with.
Onliners opinions aren't valid to Offliners (A logical extension of your statement)
Offliners make up the majority of IL2 players (a point already proved and conceded)
Ipso Facto any Onliners opinions and comments are of little importance in a democratic sense...
So we can all embrace the sound mod as an unalloyed benefit and move on

[crazyivan1970]

I wonder when people stop chewing on what Oleg said back in 2002... those numbers dont hold water anymore. Internet spread out widely and so is online community. Nobody knows the real numbers, so stop bringing it up, really.

[Ratsack]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

I wonder when people stop chewing on what Oleg said back in 2002... those numbers dont hold water anymore. Internet spread out widely and so is online community. Nobody knows the real numbers, so stop bringing it up, really.

The point is the hysterical exuberance of the relative handful of the fraction of players who are onliners and get excited by the mod, one way or the other. Your imprecation to stop bringing it up might be more usefully directed at them.

I mean, when you've got Billfish making legitimist claims about who can and cannot have a worthwhile opinion, you know something in this world is getting silly.

cheers,
Ratsack

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Wait a frickin minute here.

DerAlte is saying that the publisher should take legal action agianst someone who supports the developer's and publisher's position that decompling the sim (hacking) is theft of intellectual property because that person is hurting future sales?

This is the single most twisted piece of non-logic I have heard in my 54 years on this planet.

Honestly son, did you read you own post?

Yes boy, I did. I live in Germany and Laws are different than maybe were you live. That means I can not scare away customers or harras the customers. Regardless of my opinion of that company or not. Now, I am not saying that they WILL do that. It is just possible.

BTW, if I remember correctly, the EULA say "publisher" and not Oleg Maddox. So the software belongs to UBISOFT and no longer to Oleg Maddox. That is normal. Maddox games made the program for Ubisoft. I am sure that the fine print on the contract says that the intellectual property is owned by Ubisoft and not Maddox games. That is normal practice on the software branch. I may make the program, but normaly it is owned by the money givers. Why do you think it is published so strange. It is possible that Maddox Games has the say-so in Russia and were they publish it. But I think in the rest of the world it is Ubi.

You know EL, in every country the laws are different. What is a crime were you live, may not be a crime were I live.


DerAlte

[robtek]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Pretty much says it all really doesn't it!
In essence I concede that I am in the minority, but am arrogant enough to believe that anyones opinion which differs from my own can be dismissed as unimportant...

I just started to think about a reply but thinking about it i found that it is useless.
Absolutely f***ing useless.
The people here are not discussing a problem, no. Everything is reduced to answer the
opposed post and state facts regardless how ridicolous they are.
This will be my last post in this thread, i will, however, continue to read it because there are
quite a few good laughs to find here.

[OMK_Handsome]

Refreshing to see a high capacity for understanding on display here.
Any new 'accuracy' development of the game is in good hands, clearly.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Well in that case can we work under the assumption that as the Online community makes up a tiny minority of IL2 players and that their opinion is of no validity to Offline players...then this whole debate is over and done with.
Onliners opinions aren't valid to Offliners (A logical extension of your statement)
Offliners make up the majority of IL2 players (a point already proved and conceded)
Ipso Facto any Onliners opinions and comments are of little importance in a democratic sense...
So we can all embrace the sound mod as an unalloyed benefit and move on

What tiny monority? You keep saying tiny minority.. it may be a minority.. but it isn't tiny... if you consider that at any given time there are usually at least 400-500 players on Hyperlobby alone... that is at any given time.... You guys keep on going with this tiny minority bit... and that is just not true.. a minority.. perhaps... but definitely not the tiny minority that you claim.

Originally Posted by Ratsack

The point is the hysterical exuberance of the relative handful of the fraction of players who are onliners and get excited by the mod, one way or the other. Your imprecation to stop bringing it up might be more usefully directed at them.

I mean, when you've got Billfish making legitimist claims about who can and cannot have a worthwhile opinion, you know something in this world is getting silly.

cheers,
Ratsack

Oh Hogwash.... talk about circular logic.... the reason K keeps bringing it up is that it is the online community that is most hurt by the whole affair and it is the modding communities responsibility to behave in an honorable way with these mods since if you don't use them you have no control over any aspect of them. The mod community is the one who keeps bringing this up by insisting that "the tiny online community" has had it's way all these years.. or that Oleg is catering to the "online minority" at the expense of the offline "majority" and that is one of the justifications for hacking the sim. Which is BS. It would all be fine and dandy IF as so many of the pro mod crowd insinuate, those who use the mods only did so offline, but that is not the case and we all know this, it is quite the contrary. So therefore that whole offline/online debate in terms of "Well I am aon offline flyer so why cant I do what I want and screw you.." is just selfish BS. Now again.... I know some of the guys who use the mods... and most of the guys I know would never cheat intentionally.. but the fact still remains that if Joe Blow and I are in a DF and he has mods and I am stock..... we are NOT ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. If the mod community had put as much energy into trying to come up with a failsafe way to insure that those who want to fly in mod free servers can do so instead of defending and indefensible position and the anti mod community had been more focused on pushing for a solution rather than a round robin rehash of the problem... and if both sides had put the childish name calling and posturing to the side a month ago perhaps we would be farther along the road to a solution rather than digging a trench with our feet by rehashing the same stuff.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by robtek

I just started to think about a reply but thinking about it i found that it is useless.
Absolutely f***ing useless.
The people here are not discussing a problem, no. Everything is reduced to answer the
opposed post and state facts regardless how ridicolous they are.
This will be my last post in this thread, i will, however, continue to read it because there are
quite a few good laughs to find here.

Lightbulb moment. I had this thought some time ago.

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

What tiny monority? You keep saying tiny minority.. it may be a minority.. but it isnt tiny... if you consider that at any given time there are usually at least 400-500 players on Hyperlobby alone... that is at any given time.... You guys keep on gouing with this tiny minority bit... and that is just not true.. a minority.. perhaps... but definitely not the tiny minority that you claim.

as he is trying to justify imposing his wishes on the only group modding affects in a negative fashion....Onliners....

That actually a more telling statement then he realizes. In that because he is an offliner, he does not care about hedging that mods produce nor the ultimate cheating that is generated through them. IOW, having no concern for the community, yet only his own wishes as he is unaffected....

So as stated before, an instantly negated opinion as he risks nothing. How the world works.

K2