SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

ehh, I read the tit bit from google on this and it seems Fins make the best shooters. Doubt there will be many British shooters as you need expressed permission from the home office to have a rifle.

This guy should have entered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

Outstanding!!!"

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I am not worried about the guy getting his background checked and then a license. I am afraid of the children discovering the keys to the weapons locker, the guy having to sell his weapon for liquidity reasons on the black market, the guy robbing the house of the one having a machine gun lying around, the guy losing his job and wife having a blackout moment. The list goes on.

Your fears are really over the top and extreme. Akin to the boogyman. Lets change this up for what likely would happen to you or someone you love. I fear someone giving their teanage daughter a new iPhone and they will be texting while driving and end up killing someone. Now that has a far greater chance of coming to fruition.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry Bewolf, but you're sending postcards of wisdom from Utopia.

Your thinking should be valid for armies as well then, right? They're meant to do what they do (defending/attacking) by means of killing other people.

Are you ready to give up on the right do defend your freedom in name of a "no guns" policy?

As for the kids that find the keys to the locker etc... they're very rare cases, mainly because wise gun owners teach the responsibility and the risks related to firearms to their kids from a very young age.

I suppose most of Europe and lots of places in Asia are indeed Utopia then. And have been for decades, if not centuries. That argument of yours makes me wonder how much you actually know about the world and what amount of brain capacity you put into the question why those differences exist.

No idea how your army argument comes in here or how to understand it, though.
Btw, the right to defend your freedom. In all these debates it is all about right this, right that, like in a store where you pack in what you like best.
But with every right there are responsebilities. You can't claim the one and dismiss the other. And responsebility is something most people shun these days. That starts with "**** the environment as long as I can drive my SUV, i have the RIGHT to be an ass, f*ck the government and the UN!" and ends with the dead guy next door.

Now that is certainly overexxegerated. But if only one person out of ten is irresponsible and it moves to having guns, then this one is already one too many. I am sorry about the 9 others (to whom I also belong, btw, I am actually quite fond of weapons). But having weapons for purely fun reasons, as the defense argument is a self fullfilling prophecy given the huge amounts of weapons availabe on the black market due to the easy to get legal market, is that very same irresponsebility I am talking about.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Your fears are really over the top and extreme. Akin to the boogyman. Lets change this up for what likely would happen to you or someone you love. I fear someone giving their teanage daughter a new iPhone and they will be texting while driving and end up killing someone. Now that has a far greater chance of coming to fruition.

Is it? Then once again I will point to the stastics in regards to weapon related killings. There must be a reason for that. I am sincerely willing to listen to your arguments here.

BTW, using cell phones in a car over here is banned for exactly that reason.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Just so you can be placed at ease and the discussion can stay civil just make sure that you accept it is what it is today and the free ownership of firearms to its citizens will always be apart of the fabric of the United States. It will not change. It cannot. Its a right that isn't conveyed by a government but before it. A charter of negative liberties that state what they cannot not do. And the right shall not be infringed. So its like a tattoo it isn't going away.

At the time when the US laws where written most European countries had similar weapon legislation too (or rather lack of), and there was some kind of a gun in most cabins in Sweden too in the 19:th century. In those days most people where farmers far out in the woods with wild animals roaming around and no formalized police force to keep up law and order, so people had to be able to defend themselves in some way. The Royal Mail postmen in Sweden where required by law to carry revolvers as a defense against highwaymen and wild animals up until around 1920...

Before 1945 there was no license required for firearms even though you had to register purchased guns from 1934, and they where sold in every hardware store just like in the United States today.

Thank god we have moved on to a civilized society where firearms are not needed any more for protection in the woods and we resolve arguments verbally or written, and at the extreme in a court instead of pointing guns at each other or bang our neighbors in the head with large sticks But of course, in the developing world that is not the case today so the AK-47:s are still needed for self protection... And in the good ole USA of course!

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

BTW, using cell phones in a car over here is banned for exactly that reason.

I do not believe you. And the reason why I don't is because I know reprobates live there and here as well as here. They don't care about laws. People are not program code they have a brain and don't use it. No amount of technology will ever eliminate the idiot.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

I do not believe you. And the reason why I don't is because I know reprobates live there and here as well as here. They don't care about laws. People are not program code they have a brain and don't use it. No amount of technology will ever eliminate the idiot.

What you believe or not seriously has not much of an effect on executive procedures here, really. You are right, lots of people do not care about the law, but lots of people also get pulled out of traffic and fined for doing so. The law is there as much as you want to ignore it.

But I agree especially with your last sentence. No amount of technology will ever eliminate the idiot. And that exactly is the reason why I do not want to give him a firearm. It really comes down to that. As many responsible peole there are, that one person spoils it all for the rest. And opposite to a car, which has a real use in daily life, guns simply do not have a purpose, let alone a constructive purpose, important enough to just give them away.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Are you ready to give up on the right do defend your freedom in name of a "no guns" policy?

Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.

[ATAG_Doc]

This is why I love having our own country that does 1 thing the other does another. This is why I despise all being the same. It's like all the same. Boring. I would love to participate in a trade of those that want these to be given an opportunity to own a firearm and free from big taxes to migrate from there to over here here. And in trade we will send you 100 that do want firearms out of the homes of citizens and big government. I would take that trade in a 100 to 1 ratio with you. Then we all could be happy.

[Sternjaeger II]

This will never end. I think both sides have good reasons (and not so good ones), what it doesn't change though is that if given the choice, I'd rather be the one on the right side of the barrel, and a gun ban should be unilateral to be truly effective. Once again, good luck trying to police that, and not just in the US.

What scares me is the deluded individuals who really think that they live in a perfect society where things couldn't get out of hands and very fast too.. wake up fellas, history is but a wheel that turns and turns, and same things keep on happening on and on and on...