The Crystal Ball 2

[drewpee]

As for flaming anyone with a concern you are insulting some very decent people.
My wife and I run a small business and I can tell you as a fact we would much rather hear a customer complaint than have them simply leave the store never to be seen again or worse telling their friends. A least on hearing a complaint we have a chance to make things right. What we won't do is ignore the customer.

[the Dutchman]

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by the Dutchman

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

Yeah, good luck with that. You can't get the community to agree on which parts of the sim needs the most work, so why should you even BEGIN to think that you could make them agree to not post?

[gonk]

Originally Posted by the Dutchman

Let's go on strike,absolute radiosilence until they start wondering what happened to us LOYAL fans!

Ok... where is the remove membership button.... I can not find it in my CP

There are a lot of ppl with nothing more constructive to add to this forum... this includes myself...

So, to help management to keep track on the health of a forum and satisfaction of customers it would be wise to add a Remove Membership Button .. with a quick reason why.... This will be better then an account just going silent and not knowing why.

thanks...

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by zapatista

i can only hope the release of the long awaited gfx patch is just around the corner, and that within a few days or weeks they release the "full version" with the included game fixes that are badly needed (ai behavior issues, some plane damage models, etc)

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

[priller26]

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I think this is very well said, and sums it up in all honesty, you simply can't rework what is a complex engine in 6 months...something that takes years to develop correctly, its overreaching by devs...we wanted to believe it, it we may still be surprised, but its like Porsche developing a new engine after they start selling the car. Anyway, time to just disconnect and check back this summer.

[hiro]

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues. And some of them there isn't anything new.

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.


And its funny. Once Il-2 Moscow / Cliffs gets working like Il-2 1946, everyone, including those that vehemently declared they would never purchase this game or give money would buy it, heck even twice.


UNless there is a serious WW 2 sim contender, but so far this game has the lead in that area.


Yeah I'm annoyed, but there's more dangerous things in life I should put my worries to.

Originally Posted by Ataros

The 1st beta patch will be graphics engine only (w. crash fix). No other bug fixes. Maybe some fixes will be included into a 2nd beta, etc. in a few weeks or months.

Oleg wrote that his main mistake was to trust some developers that they can make a new engine in 2 years. If it could not be made in 2 years I do not think it can be completely reworked in just 6 months no matter how much luthier wants it or trusts his new developers. Maybe they need another 6-12 months to finish the rework or fix critical bugs of the rework.

There is no point to make any updates that say that patch does not work yet. As soon as it works we will have the patch. No updates till then probably.

I agree with Oleg's statement . . . lots of people miss the fact programming and coding is something that can be very complex, and even more so when dealing with complexities such as physics in dog fighting . . .

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by hiro

The main problem isn't lack of communication.

Some of it lies with what we do with it. The devs and black six have been in communication about the issues.

But they haven't - they've said little or nothing on the issues that most people are keen to hear about.

Originally Posted by hiro

But communication or lack there of, does not change anything.

Only thing that will change is the patch release or game fixes.

There are 2 issues here. The first one is the technical reasons for the delay of the patch. Nothing the devs do or say here will change any aspect of that. The second issue IS completely a communication issue - the discontent has built over the last 2 months precisely because people aren't being told anything despite repeated (polite) requests. My only assumption is that the devs have continually thought that the patch was just around the corner, and therefore that there was no need to make statements. Unfortunately as the delay has stretched on and on that policy has run out of track.

[danjama]

Originally Posted by Jack Morris

The first week we were given an excuse. Yesterday I (like many others) sat eagerly awaiting the update. Am I missing something?

Black6 clearly stated that there is nothing to update this week, and in fact, he may not update at all in future, due to attitudes of people here.

[furbs]

good grief..............use your brain man