Is the main issue with 1C the lack of communication? Feedback = Consideration for us?

[Force10]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

They never promoted any of those features. Those were just things that they were working on.

In any case, thanks for a great example of why a developer should never tell anyone what they are working on.

I guess you never saw the "promotional" DVD they put in 1946 that showed Dynamic weather/clouds in action....animated bailouts too if I recall. Do you ever check your facts before you post David?

[vpmedia]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

The only shocking part is that in this day and age some customers expect there to be no bugs upon release..

Why?

Because in this day and age it is an unrealistic expectation!

The simple truth, that apears to be too simple for some, is that most if not all software is released with bugs!

As a mater of fact, simple truth is putting it nicely, FACT would be a more accurate discription!!

The only thing more shocking than this is you and yours who keep refering to CoD as 'a game that does NOT function at some level' or 'can be NOT be played by anyone'.

The fact that many are playing CoD everyday of the week should give those like you a clue that such statments are false..

But that does not stop you and yours from constantly repeating the lie..

And since we know you and yours are smart enough to realise it is a lie

One can only conclude that you are (a) Not man enough to admit your wrong or (b) Have an adgenda and admiting your wrong would hinder said agenda

So these people who are critical about CoD all got a hidden agenda?

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

They never promoted any of those features. Those were just things that they were working on.

In any case, thanks for a great example of why a developer should never tell anyone what they are working on.

That's not strictly true if one considers trailers and interviews as part of the promotional machine, David. Oleg and Ilya also mentioned that the SU-26 would be featured in an interview with, IIRC, PC Gamer... and interviews are a major part of software promotion. Force10 has already mentioned the promotional DVD that came with 1946 featuring dynamic weather.

Of course... most of that was when it was called "Storm of War" and I suppose one could suggest that the name change means it is a different game entirely.

EDIT: Infact here is an example: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/08/il...ya-shevchenko/

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by vpmedia

So these people who are critical about CoD all got a hidden agenda?

Nope.. Please re-read what I wrote and note that I provided two options to choose from

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Nope.. Please re-read what I wrote and note that I provided two options to choose from

Perhaps there is a 3rd option, people want to convince others not to fly so that enemy bombers are free of escorts and can be easily shot down

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

OK....a little miscommunication here. Your confusing "functions on some level" with bug free. I never said bug free....just wanted it to work within 50% of how they promoted it through the years. (IE: Dynamic weather, SU-26, Bailout animations, AI that surpasses 1946, Radio commands, etc. etc. etc.)

A little miscommunication?

More like intentional miscommunication IMHO.. But I digress

And after reading your last post I was reminded of another 'other' shocking thing in this day and age

How some customers confuse development progress WIP (what you call promoted) items with a 100% guaranteed it will be included in the final product items

That type of confusion on the part of the customer is IMHO more than enough to explain AND JUSTIFY why 1C hesitates to provide any form of 'news' update in this or any other forum

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Force10

I guess you never saw the "promotional" DVD they put in 1946 that showed Dynamic weather/clouds in action....animated bailouts too if I recall. Do you ever check your facts before you post David?

A video of stuff they're working on is still not promoting the game that actually ships. This has been explained many, many times on this forum.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

Perhaps there is a 3rd option, people want to convince others not to fly so that enemy bombers are free of escorts and can be easily shot down

I think the biggest problem for the forum is that, stuck between the "Everything is wonderful and this game is fantastic in every possible way" brigade (Who, in all honesty, I have never witnessed on here! Food for thought.) and the "Nobody can play this! It's an absolute disaster and the most horrific thing to happen in the history of mankind" brigade, there is the....

"I love this game BUT.....Real Info I can get my teeth into? Patches? Real Fixes? Can I get my money's worth please?" brigade.

I'd say that is the majority of people, sadly, and they spend most of their time gasping for air, trying to get their voices heard and either being drowned out by, or accused of being members of, the former two examples.

Some facts:

1) No matter how much anyone may protest to the contrary, this is not the game we were promised.

2) Although the small size of the team must be considered if one is to debate from a position other than ignorance, communication needs to be far more intensive (Even if the dev team think we won't understand a word they are talking about!) Sometimes people like to see that something is happening, even if they don't really know what all the charts and technical jargon actually means. (They won't admit they don't know what it means either! That's part of the PR game. ) The team is small so fixes will take a lot longer than, say, something released by a massive studio... just keep us informed!

3) None of this is actually B6s fault.

4) The game is playable.... though not as it should be. It is playable and I'm certainly not going to pretend I haven't had tons of fun with it even if I am annoyed at the current state of the software.

[SiThSpAwN]

I dont know that I have seen anyone on here that said the game is "Everything is wonderful and this game is fantastic in every possible way" BUT I see alot of people trying to make the best of a tough situation...

Regardless... I hope that the improvements continue...

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

Regardless... I hope that the improvements continue...

Would be nice. lol