Banning Planes

[Pubestien13]

I have no quarrel with russian jets, russian jets are to easy to research and find statistics for on the net.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Pubestien13

I have no quarrel with russian jets, russian jets are to easy to research and find statistics for on the net.

So what's your problem with Russian WW2 fighters? The Russians did the same thing they did in WW2, but with their jets.

[Pubestien13]

FYI russia cant afford to make things complicated either. Their export versions of the mig-21, su's have tons way better systems built and the reason why they can't use themeselves is because again, they simply can't afford them themselves.

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

All Russian products are mass produced. Just look at the MiG-15 and later Russian jets. They're simple, easy to make, and handle nicely. They just do the opposite of what the US and UK does; which is make complicated and overly complicated machines. Not all are complicated, but many are. Russians just like to keep it simple.

Yeah, the Russians just have a different design philosophy from the West. They're more interested in toughness and reliability than complexity. Sure, the F-15 might have better tech than the MiG-29, but can the F-15 operate from a sod field? Nope!

They've also made some great leaps forward. Look at the AK-47. Sure, it's not the greatest weapon anymore, but few better guns can take the abuse it can. And how many other sixty year-old guns are still in use? Not a whole lot!

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Pubestien13

FYI russia cant afford to make things complicated either. Their export versions of the mig-21, su's have tons way better systems built and the reason why they can't use themeselves is because again, they simply can't afford them themselves.

It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of simplicity. Understand, not everything has to be complicated like the US fighters. Take the F-22 Raptor. That is a seriously complicated machine. And take the Su-37, not so complicated.

Take the F4 Phantom as another example, complicated. The MiG-17,19, and 21. Not nearly as complicated. Also having a complicated machine adds weight, and you want your jet or prop plane as fast and maneuverable as you can. You get better performance as well.

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by Pubestien13

FYI russia cant afford to make things complicated either. Their export versions of the mig-21, su's have tons way better systems built and the reason why they can't use themeselves is because again, they simply can't afford them themselves.

Yeah, but that's because they still haven't recovered from going bankrupt as the USSR. The fact that they're exporting these planes shows that they are perfectly capably of building them, doesn't it? And I'm pretty sure you meant the MiG-29. They haven't made MiG-21s in a really long time, although they do export advanced avionics packages to the few countries still using MiG-21s.

Edit: And what Soviet Ace said, too!

[Pubestien13]

In real life I have no problem with most WW2 russian aircraft like a said before. It sickens me that planes that are suppused to out monuever other planes can't because somebody forgot to carry the 1 over in the programing. Again realistic is fine. For example I just finnished a realistic match and a player with a spitfire out monuevered my 109 in a turn a few times.

[Pubestien13]

Yes, I did mean the Mig-29 fulcrum. And that was my question when I figured that out Swagger. It makes sense that they can't afford them because of the soviet fall, but they're supposed to be on an ecconomic rise to certain extent and assuming that thats still accurate they should be able to afford them now.

[Pubestien13]

You can't really compare the F-22 to anything because its a new stage in evolution of the fighter. For all the money and complicated systems in the
F22 it pays off. On several ocasion's while testing, the F-22 went up against 5-1, 7-1, 10-1 engagements and has come out on top. So your getting your moneys worth.

[Pubestien13]

And if you want to engage the F-22 on an even plain you'll most likely need an equal capable, expensive, and advanced plane.